Norwegian Air Boeing 737MAX8 stuck in Iran
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Dear me!
Were to start.
Iran is a ICAO country and at all times adhere to international agreements with other ICAO country, namely Norway.
AOG aircraft parts are not " exported", they are often even held at outbases at Bonded stores as agreed with the host country.
Norway and Iran has no issues other then any active UN sanctioned restrictions of which there is non in the aviation operation part of things as per date.
This has NOTHING to do with USA and I am pretty sure Norwegian is fully capable to solve the logistics without any help whatsoever from that side. Furthermore it is Norwegian property that is repaired in an ICAO country with Norwegian parts, to retrieve in a safe and orderly manner to Norway.
Anyone that has a problem with this concept clearly are not remotely familiar with how international aviation works.
This is not remotely similar to Carters predicament!
Nothing to see here.
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Cpt B
Norway
PS Yes, a single engine takeoff is no problem, If you are mad or in a Sim!
Been there done that!
DS
Were to start.
Iran is a ICAO country and at all times adhere to international agreements with other ICAO country, namely Norway.
AOG aircraft parts are not " exported", they are often even held at outbases at Bonded stores as agreed with the host country.
Norway and Iran has no issues other then any active UN sanctioned restrictions of which there is non in the aviation operation part of things as per date.
This has NOTHING to do with USA and I am pretty sure Norwegian is fully capable to solve the logistics without any help whatsoever from that side. Furthermore it is Norwegian property that is repaired in an ICAO country with Norwegian parts, to retrieve in a safe and orderly manner to Norway.
Anyone that has a problem with this concept clearly are not remotely familiar with how international aviation works.
This is not remotely similar to Carters predicament!
Nothing to see here.
Regards
Cpt B
Norway
PS Yes, a single engine takeoff is no problem, If you are mad or in a Sim!
Been there done that!
DS
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AOG aircraft parts are not " exported", they are often even held at outbases at Bonded stores as agreed with the host country.
Norway and Iran has no issues other then any active UN sanctioned restrictions of which there is non in the aviation operation part of things as per date.
This has NOTHING to do with USA
Norway and Iran has no issues other then any active UN sanctioned restrictions of which there is non in the aviation operation part of things as per date.
This has NOTHING to do with USA
ps there are “other” ways too - which everyone else is using but if you want to be 100% compliant you should not use them.
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This particular airframe is wholly owned by an Irish Finance Company, registered in Norway and operated by Norwegian Air Norway.
TBH so far the Iranians have been very supportive and helpful and theres no issues working on said airframe.
Got to snigger at some of the comments on here especially the Usa comments.
A little knowledge .........................
TBH so far the Iranians have been very supportive and helpful and theres no issues working on said airframe.
Got to snigger at some of the comments on here especially the Usa comments.
A little knowledge .........................
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This particular airframe is wholly owned by an Irish Finance Company, registered in Norway and operated by Norwegian Air Norway.
TBH so far the Iranians have been very supportive and helpful and theres no issues working on said airframe.
Got to snigger at some of the comments on here especially the Usa comments.
A little knowledge .........................
TBH so far the Iranians have been very supportive and helpful and theres no issues working on said airframe.
Got to snigger at some of the comments on here especially the Usa comments.
A little knowledge .........................
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"Suitable" has nothing to do with politics/spare parts/...
here is the definition:
here is the definition:
- Adequate - an adequate airport is an airport, which the operator and TCCA consider to be adequate, having regard to the performance requirements applicable at the expected landing weight. In particular, it should be anticipated that at the expected time of use:
- the airport will be available, and equipped with the necessary ancillary services, such as ATS, lighting, communications, weather reporting, navaids and emergency services; and
- at least one approach aid will be available for an instrument approach.
- Suitable - a suitable airport is an adequate airport with weather reports, forecasts or combination thereof, indicating that the weather conditions will be at or above minima as specified AppendixB of this document, and field condition reports indicate that a safe landing can be accomplished during the period of intended operation.
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The Persians are some of the nicest, polite, and helpful people on the planet, unfortunately the [censored]-up US foreign policy keeps on screwing them and so no wonder they get anti.
As for spares, I can't see it being a problem, nothing is being sold or staying in the country so all that should be required is a bit of paperwork stating that the parts/tools etc. are for temporary import/export only, normally a Carnet ATA should do the job.
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If you indeed are the nr 1 cargo pilot in Europe , it could be that you know something about customs.
What I know with regards to spare parts , repair and AOG is , may I brag, a tad above nothing.
What is more: What I know about international politics is above anything Donald could ever dream of....
The USA has no problem with Bjørn Kjos in Norwegian fixing his broken Boeing in Iran and fly it home , on the contrary, they would DEMAND him to fix this high teck wonder so it could be removed from the evil people of Iran. Dont you think!
This recovery will be done properly and swiftly according to longterm International agreements, most of which the US honor.
If you indeed are the nr 1 cargo pilot in Europe , it could be that you know something about customs.
What I know with regards to spare parts , repair and AOG is , may I brag, a tad above nothing.
What is more: What I know about international politics is above anything Donald could ever dream of....
The USA has no problem with Bjørn Kjos in Norwegian fixing his broken Boeing in Iran and fly it home , on the contrary, they would DEMAND him to fix this high teck wonder so it could be removed from the evil people of Iran. Dont you think!
This recovery will be done properly and swiftly according to longterm International agreements, most of which the US honor.
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I like Norwegian Air Shuttle or NAS as we called it.
But the use of Norwegian is getting a bit annoying!
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Cpt B
Norwegian by birth , not by employment!
I like Norwegian Air Shuttle or NAS as we called it.
But the use of Norwegian is getting a bit annoying!
Regards
Cpt B
Norwegian by birth , not by employment!
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You mean that the US would rather gift a whole aircraft to Iran instead of having Norvegian repair it and bring it home?
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I mean that doing everything as per book to get a Leap engine shipped to and changed at Shiraz is not a quick nor cheap exercise. There is nothing in relevant US sanctions which says “Mr Kjoss is exempted”. I very much doubt there are spare Leap engines outside OEM possession at this stage, and you dont ask Snecma or GE to release an engine with Shiraz airport as destination on airwaybill just like business as usual. I have been dealing with similar situations myself and it takes time, money and pain.
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I don't agree it's that black and white. There's a number of "practical considerations" that could factor into a diversion decision.
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/w...e-the-closest/
The statement “Land immediately at nearest suitable airport” is defined as:
• Land at the nearest airport that offers sufficient landing distance available and if required, emergency services to support the emergency or abnormality.
The statement “Land at nearest suitable airport” is defined as:
• The airplane may continue to the destination airport or the nearest airport where maintenance services are available.
• Land at the nearest airport that offers sufficient landing distance available and if required, emergency services to support the emergency or abnormality.
The statement “Land at nearest suitable airport” is defined as:
• The airplane may continue to the destination airport or the nearest airport where maintenance services are available.
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So what? AFAIK Iranian airlines are operating a number of Airbus A320 and A330, and have operated 727, 737 and 747 in the past. Politics aside, what difference would getting their hands on 737 spares and tools make?
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I don't agree it's that black and white. There's a number of "practical considerations" that could factor into a diversion decision.
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/w...e-the-closest/
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/w...e-the-closest/
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And the only definition I found about "land at the nearest suitable airport" in my manuals is in my OM-B, and is "land at the nearest airport where a safe landing can be made".
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations
The 737 Max 8 likely contains many Controlled Items (for the purpose of ITAR) which can not be exported to Iran without approval.
From the wikipedia article:
> theoretical access to the USML items overseas or by foreign persons is sufficient to constitute a breach of ITAR
Reading above, it looks like membership with ICAO may provide specific ways around ITAR to help with this case. But I personally know that there is a lot of technology which you just can't send to Iran.
Edit: the whole point of ITAR is to keep the US and their allies ahead of potential enemies. So the restrict export of the latest hardware and software, It doesn't have to be specifically military, but the hardware and software in a modern radar would certainly be covered.
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