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Norwegian Air Boeing 737MAX8 stuck in Iran

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Old 12th Jan 2019, 12:37
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There's some fairly impressive terrain around Shiraz.
Indeed, but if you look at the airport location, it sits on a dry lakebed with zero obstacles for 15-20 kilometres in either runway direction, plenty of room for low altitude maneouvreing.
In any case, several airlines operate 73' s into/out of Shiraz, so the field must meet one engine out takeoff performance requirements (to my knowledge without any limitations), performance on a missed approach can only be better.

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Precisely, calypso. In my book, the immediate 'aviate, navigate, communicate', includes pointing in the direction of a friendly diversion field, whilst dealing with an emergency. Even if you end up doubling back after 50 miles to where you were originally, you've not significantly extended the flight time, but more likely, you are now considerably closer to that friendly field. Quite possibly the crew had only known Europe and a bit beyond, but doing long haul over extremely inhospitable areas (physically and politically) gives appreciation that many of the blue circles on the ND are places you really really don't want to put your passengers, crew and aeroplane (unless on fire). Some general knowledge also helps on that count.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:49
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It’s all down to the word ‘suitable’ and provides some degree of flexibility to the crew.

Clearly safety is the paramount consideration, but in the case of an engine shutdown and everything is stable you will normally have a number options.

All things being equal you then need to consider commercial considerations of the airline and that of the passengers.

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Old 16th Jan 2019, 03:13
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley View Post
I wonder if any airlines will be reviewing their risk assessments of flying over Iran and looking at Iraq instead...
Norwegian isn't. They have aircraft over Iran as I write these words.
The irony of it all, is that if any airline decides to avoid Iranian airspace because of this incident, it wont be for fear of the Iranians but for fear of the Americans.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by Gilles Hudicourt View Post
Norwegian isn't. They have aircraft over Iran as I write these words.
The irony of it all, is that if any airline decides to avoid Iranian airspace because of this incident, it wont be for fear of the Iranians but for fear of the Americans.
Nobody seems to be avoiding overflying Iran from what I've seen on FlightRadar24. I see DY, BA, LH, UA, DL and many ME3 flights daily. For these flights to continue flying in Iranian airspace tells me that it's possible that some "contingency" plans exist for diversions. Nobody wants to end up in the situation that Norwegian ET AL is presently in with a $50,000,000+ asset AOG. For the US airlines, I can't see the FAA having any problem whatsoever with a US jet diverting to an airport outside Iran.

I'm sure the Iranians are wonderful people, but the fact remains there's a US/Iran p!$$!ng contest ATM and sanctions are going to create problems for Airlines and Passengers.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 20:40
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Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi View Post
Precisely, calypso. In my book, the immediate 'aviate, navigate, communicate', includes pointing in the direction of a friendly diversion field, whilst dealing with an emergency. Even if you end up doubling back after 50 miles to where you were originally, you've not significantly extended the flight time, but more likely, you are now considerably closer to that friendly field. Quite possibly the crew had only known Europe and a bit beyond, but doing long haul over extremely inhospitable areas (physically and politically) gives appreciation that many of the blue circles on the ND are places you really really don't want to put your passengers, crew and aeroplane (unless on fire). Some general knowledge also helps on that count.
I consider the Iranians to be friendly, all my dealings with Iran have been more than friendly.

Just wondering all those questioning (and almost criticising) the commanders decision know exactly what was going on at the time and exactly where the aircraft was when the event happened. What airway and position was it? To get to a so called "friendly" airfield from Shiraz is a good 200 miles to either Kuwait, Damman (Ha! friendly??), or Bahrain with over 12000ft MSA.

I'll say it again... It's Trump causing the problem not the Iranian people
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 22:06
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Yeah, so you double back to Shiraz after 50 miles and you've lost nothing ... is my point. Or alternatively take good time to dodar or whatever, carefully run the checklists, manage the situation and waddaya know, you're 100 miles to KWI.

Your geopolitical opinions are just that - opinions - everyone has one.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 23:47
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Originally Posted by Capt Ecureuil View Post
I consider the Iranians to be friendly, all my dealings with Iran have been more than friendly.
Just wondering all those questioning (and almost criticising) the commanders decision know exactly what was going on at the time and exactly where the aircraft was when the event happened. What airway and position was it? To get to a so called "friendly" airfield from Shiraz is a good 200 miles to either Kuwait, Damman (Ha! friendly??), or Bahrain with over 12000ft MSA.
I'll say it again... It's Trump causing the problem not the Iranian people
Might I suggest that Jet Blast would be a better forum to bash the leaders of either the USA or Iran? There are Iranians chanting "Death to America" and Americans singing "Bomb, bomb Iran" but I find both sentiments (fortunately) in the minority. Whether or not we agree or disagree with the Sanctions or Travel Ban, they exist and as such present a number of challenges for aviation professionals.
Thank you and carry on.
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