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German Chancellor's A-340 Diverts to CGN enroute G-20

Old 30th Nov 2018, 10:48
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The crew of No. 2 had been kept at readiness but got released right after takeoff of No. 1. Afterwards their legal duty time left was not enough to go to Argentina anymore.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 10:59
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
2nd A340 also in EDDK, but no crew.....
Interestingly the linked article claims that the affected system also prevented the discharging of fuel so the AC had to land fully loaded...
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 11:03
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Originally Posted by mfeldt View Post
Interestingly the linked article claims that the affected system also prevented the discharging of fuel so the AC had to land fully loaded...
Yes, Die Zeit is also reporting : "It is currently assumed that a fault in an electronic distribution box, which control both the radio system and the system for discharging the kerosene", see https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschl...el-g-20-gipfel
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 11:13
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Originally Posted by judebrad View Post
Not exactly the greenest of airliners, you would have thought they would have had some A330's in the fleet.
Nope, apart from the two A340 they only have six A310 (five of which are MRTT and the other is inherited from Interflug), a couple a A319 and an A321.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 11:22
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Right after takeoff, around the Wolfsburg/Hannover area. Satcom did the job.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 11:26
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
According several media via SAT COM.
Then why continue out to the sea? Were they hoping to dump only to discover that the pumps were also done in?
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 11:28
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They called Merkel up front first from some talk in the back and she agreed to turn around. That is not much flighttime.
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Aircraft Comm systems are powered by seperate parts of the electrical system . The fact that other components also failed points to major problems in the electrical system.
This aircraft was grounded on a previous mission due to rodents eating the wiring looms according to news reports.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 12:14
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No. 2 is on it's way to pick her up afterwards.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 12:34
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Apparently, the failed box is called "transformer rectifier unit". A number of flight displays and some hydraulics were also affected.

So why was there independent power for all the other stuff, but the three radios were all routed through this TRU?
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 12:36
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Originally Posted by mfeldt View Post
I'm not sure, but I guess the delegations going to BA are pretty large, so you don't just book a full bird onto another one. Of course you could take the chancellor there alone, but I guess that would violate a number of protocols.
The press corps and various mandarins distributed themselves on any possible commercial flight still available today, mostly in economy. Iberia ex MAD was the only option left for the Chancellor and her team. Other G20 heads of state were already on their way. She will miss her date with Trump too... this creates major protocol head aches.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 12:41
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Originally Posted by Joe_K View Post
Nope, apart from the two A340 they only have six A310 (five of which are MRTT and the other is inherited from Interflug), a couple a A319 and an A321.
The A310 used to be the transport mode before the two A343 were purchased from Lufthansa in 2010. The A319 are configured as CJs but don't have the range to get to EZE. The A321 (also used LH) has just joined the fleet after a 2 year retrofit.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 12:43
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A fuelstop is no big deal. Better than spending another night in Germany before starting to move.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 12:49
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With the support of your foreign office and the military you can certainly get some diplo clearance. What's the problem? We are not talking about overflying North Korea.
This is the only point about owning a fleet like this. Short notice VVIP-travel.

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Old 30th Nov 2018, 13:32
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God, it's amazing how many experts are on here. Merkel should hire this lot in future, then she'd not only get there on time, she'd probably arrive before she left.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 13:36
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A single TR failure should not lead to loss of all comms.There are four TR-1,2, ESS and the Apu TR fitted.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 17:10
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
2nd A340 also in EDDK, but no crew.....


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The crew of No. 2 had been kept at readiness but got released right after takeoff of No. 1. Afterwards their legal duty time left was not enough to go to Argentina anymore.
16+02 Theodor Heuss was originally positioned to TXL for backup landing at 1613Z and flew back to CGN at 1826Z, landing at 1918Z. 16+01 Konrad Adenauer started its turn back to CGN at 1914Z. It looks like even if a swap could be organized, as the reports say, no duty time left for either crew.

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I understand there was some embarrassment last year when the same aircraft was grounded at an IMF meeting because mice had damaged the wiring.
Don't know if it also happened earlier but rodents grounded 16+01 in Indonesia last month:

German minster's plane grounded after rodents gnaw through cabling

Oct 14, 2018

Nusa Dua, Indonesia (dpa) - Members of German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz's delegation remained stranded in Indonesia on Sunday after rodents gnawed through the cables of a government plane during the annual meetings of the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Scholz himself landed in Berlin on Sunday after a 22-hour flight from Bali, with changes in Hong Kong and Zurich.

The Social Democrat (SPD) politician had to be back in Germany as soon as possible because of state elections in Bavaria and the need for consultations with his party.

Rodents - probably mice - had nibbled through the electrical cables of the "Konrad Adenauer," sources at the IMF meeting told dpa.

Scholz was told on Saturday that he should choose a few of his closest aides to return with him, and was initially asked not to report the incident, the sources said.



16+02 left CGN for EZE at 1257Z this afternoon. Will they book some return tickets just in case?
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 17:38
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I thought Airbus fitted a RAT in order to solve the electrics / rodent problem?
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... should have fitted a CAT....
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16+02 Theodor Heuss was originally positioned to TXL for backup landing at 1613Z and flew back to CGN at 1826Z, landing at 1918Z. 16+01
Konrad Adenauer started its turn back to CGN at 1914Z. It looks like even if a swap could be organized, as the reports say, no duty time left for either crew.
2 Crews, or 1 Augmented Crew, could probably push the Duty Time "envelop" a few hours, if the aircraft swapping at CGN would not take very long ...
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