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Another A380 Woe?

Old 16th Feb 2019, 01:04
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Cant afford showers etc, but as SLF on QF1/2 etc, transiting or linking through SIN, I enjoy a quick open-air swim at the hotel then back on board the big beast refreshed.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 02:33
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Sorry to hear you had that experience I42. I flew from Sydney to Singapore in 2008 by 747-400, the return journey 4 days later was by A 380. Only cattle class - the A-380 was streets ahead of the 747-400 in terms of a spacious feeling and quietness. I quite preferred it.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 03:41
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Perhaps it the case that US carrier wouldn't touch European made super jumbo as they would 'lose face' or 'unpatriotic' ? Not sure the US market would save the A380, but the jealousy shown by US when EU show them up with superior aircraft for its type, is pretty obvious.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 03:50
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Well, Mr Calder seems to think that BA will be busy buying up all the second hand A380s!
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8781691.html
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 04:10
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Originally Posted by daelight View Post
Perhaps it the case that US carrier wouldn't touch European made super jumbo as they would 'lose face' or 'unpatriotic' ? Not sure the US market would save the A380, but the jealousy shown by US when EU show them up with superior aircraft for its type, is pretty obvious.
Daelight,
It wasn’t just US carriers who didn’t buy the A-380; it was most airlines throughout the world. The US market couldn’t support this aircraft. Ask yourself how many 747’s are flying between US Cities today? Airbus gambled when it built the A-380 and it turned out to be the wrong decision. Nice aircraft, bad economics.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 04:12
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Originally Posted by daelight View Post
Perhaps it the case that US carrier wouldn't touch European made super jumbo as they would 'lose face' or 'unpatriotic' ? Not sure the US market would save the A380, but the jealousy shown by US when EU show them up with superior aircraft for its type, is pretty obvious.
seriously doubt it had anything to do with this, the US carriers serve a different market, and probably saw the future of the 4 engine airplane, hence the lack of 340’s, new 747’s and of course, the 380

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Old 16th Feb 2019, 04:24
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
Well, Mr Calder seems to think that BA will be busy buying up all the second hand A380s!
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8781691.html
Well, if they did, that would make me reconsider my previous decision never to fly BA again
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 05:09
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Most of the posts that declare a preference for traveling on the A380, seem to be from “Premium SLF”
Well, here is one extremely satisfied steerage class pax who has done a number of Oz to Europe and return trips, my favourite aircraft of all time. My pet hate is the 777 and its terrible seats.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by Winemaker View Post
As of February 7, 2019 Airbus has 313 firm orders for the A380, so, no, not as predicted. Not by a long shot.
Looks like I was referring to the break-even number not the total market estimate. Original break-even was apparently 270:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/1...80_break_even/
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:07
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Originally Posted by daelight View Post
Perhaps it the case that US carrier wouldn't touch European made super jumbo as they would 'lose face' or 'unpatriotic' ? Not sure the US market would save the A380, but the jealousy shown by US when EU show them up with superior aircraft for its type, is pretty obvious.
Don't think that's the case - more that the US Airlines Business model has changed and they prefer point - to -point and frequency on long haul - they switched to the 767 and then the 777 a long time ago

Wikipedia lists over 40 B-747-400 operators and only one (NW) is American

The twins give them a lot more flexibility and the economics are better if you can fill the front end

Pity tho' the A380 is by far the most comfortable and quietest aircraft from a SLC view - I always choose it over an A 330/340 or a B777 if there's a choice
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:29
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Originally Posted by daelight View Post
....the jealousy shown by US when EU show them up with superior aircraft....
What on earth does the EU have to do this story?

And how exactly have the US been "shown up"? It's the A380 which is a commercial failure, while Boeing (who I assume you see as a proxy for the US) have arguably read the market better.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:32
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On a brighter note, EADS chief financial officer Andreas Sperl told a gathering of analysts and investors that Airbus "still expected to sell more than 750 of its new planes over the life of the project". ®

Oh dear! But it's not the first airliner that failed to meet expectations...the biggest and most expensive to date though, and yes even in steerage it is more comfortable than the rest of the lot out there, although the reverse curvature of the fuselage sides downstairs was a bit strange at first
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:36
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What on earth does the EU have to do this story?

thankfully nothing, can you imagine an aircraft designed by a govt committee?
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 11:59
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Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
What on earth does the EU have to do this story?

thankfully nothing, can you imagine an aircraft designed by a govt committee?
Overweight, over budget, under performing and late
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 13:33
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Originally Posted by Webby737 View Post
Overweight, over budget, under performing and late
hmmmmmm...well....maybe...
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 15:31
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Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
What on earth does the EU have to do this story?

thankfully nothing, can you imagine an aircraft designed by a govt committee?
Try a bit of history as to birth of airbust

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e..._e/ds316_e.htm

European Communities and Certain member States — Measures Affecting Trade in Large Civil Aircraft


Of course the term large civil aircraft ( LCA) was poorly defined - seems it MAY have excluded only the Sopwith camel, Travelair and perhaps the Piper cub and Wright flyer . . .



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Old 16th Feb 2019, 15:58
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Originally Posted by Mk 1 View Post
Not quite the only game in town - as a new build you are correct - but there is also the An124 with a payload over 100 tonnes and the sole An225 with double that.
Did Airbus miss a trick by not having the A380 cockpit up top and therebye forsaking the possiblility of having a freighter version with an opening nose. They can't really have been taking in the 747's longer framelife and increased resale value as a cargo carrier, and the extended livespans of the high payload older russian cargo planes with this feature. Maybe they got hung up in the topbulging wingcarrying Guppy/Beluga and forgot the advantage of loading most cargo direct from the ground.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 20:18
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Wikipedia lists over 40 B-747-400 operators and only one (NW) is American
When the A380 was launched, there were two US operators of the 747 in passenger guise - Northwest and United (Northwest was the 747-400 launch customer). However neither had taken a new one for years nor had any more on order - they were already looking at the transition to big twins.
Both United and Delta (which merged with NW several years back) have completely phased out the 747 by the end of 2017. It's rather telling that not only were they replaced by big twins - in many cases they weren't even particularly big 'big twins' - many of those routes now being flown by 767, 777-200, and A330s.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 21:57
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As a pax love the 380, hate the triple, Airbus all the way when I have the choice...
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 22:01
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So, what are BA going to replace all their ageing 744 fleet with? Wouldn't LH Gatwick with the 380 be a good business proposition? Thinking about slots as well...

In fact replace the 744's with 380's?
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