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Just in Khartoum airport accident

Old 3rd Oct 2018, 14:10
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Just in Khartoum airport accident


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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 14:13
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A landing accident.


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Two military transport aircraft have been destroyed in a ground collision at Khartoum International Airport, Sudan. The accident was captured on CCTV.CCTV footage shows two Sudanese military cargo planes – an Antonov 30 and Antonov 32 – landing on the same runway. Unable to avoid each other, one of the planes clips the tail of the other. Firefighters quickly arrived at the scene to extinguish the resulting blaze, Khaleej Times reported. There are currently no reported casualties.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 14:21
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Wow. Presumably there is no ATC there.. or, if there is, it isn't much cop?
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One landing ,one taking off?
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 14:27
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I have seen the exact same aircraft a few days ago on short final, with 300 ft between them. Thought that one might be filming the other, but obviously they were training landings in formation. At a civilian airport in the middle of the city. HSSS closed until 18:00 hrs local today.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 14:43
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Khartoum International Airport is an airport in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The airport handles over 2,000,000 passengers annually, and is served by nearly 2-dozen airlines. The current facility will be replaced with a new airport 40 kilometers south of the centre of Khartoum.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 14:43
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Judging by the boneyard in the background, the collision took place about two-thirds of the way along KRT's 3000 m Rwy 18. Go figure.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 15:18
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Judging by the formation flying comments and the TV snippet at a quick glance it looks like it could be a “Stream”/“in trail” landing gone wrong.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 18:50
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Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR View Post
Wow. Presumably there is no ATC there.. or, if there is, it isn't much cop?
Would that be Land After or After the Landing Bren?
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Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR View Post
Wow. Presumably there is no ATC there.. or, if there is, it isn't much cop?
There is ATC there
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 20:35
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This reminds me of Tampere Finland a few years ago.
Great fun watching pairs of F18s taking of rwy 24.
They had two narrow red lines offset some 7 or 8 meters each side of center-line for offset tracking in case the lead rejected, I suppose!
Brilliant to watch."
Not so brilliant one day on rwy 06 when my FO was bang on the RH line on a snow covered rwy despite my call:" SenterLine "
As we flared I realized what he was up to and left him to it.
He nailed it, but was a bit concerned about the snow bank on his side.
As I corrected onto the centerline upon taking control , some nonstandard calls came from him indicating he just clued in to his slight error.
Back to Sudan.
WTF was that all about?
Formation takeoff or landing with a rather big ( wide) TP?
Any Mil Crew that can enlighten us on the advantage of this.
The dis-advantage we get!
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 21:18
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Never saw a formation T/O or LDG with a transport type before.

For fighters the contract for formation stuff (at least in our part of the world) is as follows:
-Formation T/O and LDG is always in close formation. Never 300 feet apart as mentioned above.
-Both for T/O and LDG the centerline is to be treated as a brick wall.
-RWY has to be at least 125 feet wide (F-16).
-Both aircraft have to line up on the center of their half of the RWY. (In Canada we used to do Vic formation T/O in the Hawk (3 ship - one on the centerline and one on each side). Not very clever me think).
-Wingman always on the upwind side to reduce chances of him getting into leads wash. (apparently not an issue in the Hawk.....)
-Maximum 20 KTS crosswind allowed.
-Wingman has one "push it up" or "give me one" call. If still unable to keep position he is to perform individual T/O or if during approach, to break away and perform go around on his own.
-In case of dual abort or dual brake failure, the first aircraft to reach the cable owns it. The other will turn on to the grass and eject before leaving the prepared surface (F-16 are not suitable for off-roading. They tend to break the nose wheel, dig in, collapse the cockpit around the pilot, flip upside-down and ignite).
-Mixed type (ie. F-16 with Mirage) T/O and landing not allowed.
-Configuration or weight which gives T/O or LDG speed difference of more then 10 KTS not allowed.

Obviously display teams do it differently, but their formation training level is much higher then the average squadron pilot.

For reduced spacing landing of the same formation members, the following apply:
-At least 3000 feet landing separation (day VMC).
-All formation members to acknowledge which side of the RWY is slow/cold side (if not stated by airfield SOP or if non standard).
-All formation members to move to slow/cold side as soon as safe to do so.
-When moving over to slow/cold side, no part of aircraft to be on hot side of centerline.
-Slow/cold side will normally be to the same side as the taxiway where the aircraft clears the RWY.
-If for some reason the hot side needs to be crossed when clearing the RWY, it can only be done after all formation members have called "safe speed".

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I used to fly 5-ship C130, take-off was all aircraft on the runway and if I recall correctly 30s stream which allowed time for following aircraft to stop if someone in front had a problem. Landing was a break and then cleared to land in sequence, the runway didn't have to be clear but those in front would keep rolling and move to the side.
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Originally Posted by rudolf View Post
I used to fly 5-ship C130, take-off was all aircraft on the runway and if I recall correctly 30s stream which allowed time for following aircraft to stop if someone in front had a problem. Landing was a break and then cleared to land in sequence, the runway didn't have to be clear but those in front would keep rolling and move to the side.
rudolf,

What was the required landing seperation between the Hercs? And was there any limit on how wide the RWY had to be?
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 21:51
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I wonder if the aircraft in front was on its takeoff roll and then aborted? Otherwise “land after” has a different interpretation out there!
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Some serious oscillations after touchdown.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 05:35
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These are Eastern bloc crews and operators in Africa. They operate completely unhindered by any rules or structure. I guess they’re enjoying their new found freedom away from whatever totalitarian regime they have back home. Sometimes I envy their insouciance.
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Pprune: The place where no-one has realised the cold war is a distant memory.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Nemrytter View Post
Pprune: The place where no-one has realised the cold war is a distant memory.
Not "is", "WAS". We have entered a new cold war in the last few years, and if anything the geopolitical/resource/environmental situation is much worse than 1989.

Great video footage though. a couple more circuits like that and the team would become aces. #2 at least gets to score 2 kills.
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