Air Niugini Aircraft crash, Truk Lagoon

[cooperplace]

really impressed by these US Navy divers. it must be a difficult job that requires skill and courage.

[filejw]

Originally Posted by cooperplace

really impressed by these US Navy divers. it must be a difficult job that requires skill and courage.

Helps to be 25 and fearless , never mind the military training . I’m sure young men from AU JP or PH would have done the same .

[LeadSled]

Folks,
Re. my previous post, "Allan" was/is Adam.
His own description of his post crash actions is very modest, compared to other passenger's descriptions of his vital contribution.
Tootle pip!!

[PEI_3721]

Might be worth dusting off the accident report on the ‘go around’ accident, B777 EK 521 in Dubai.

[gulliBell]

It's pretty clear from this passenger account that it was an overshoot and the tail hit the end of the runway before taking a permanent dip in the lagoon.

https://www.thenational.com.pg/air-n...how-he-helped/

[lomapaseo]

I'm not sure whether the landing gear was even down, but the DFDR/CVR should tell a lot about the details

[gulliBell]

If the landing gear wasn't down they would have had a terrain alert, right?

[Ascend Charlie]

After all this time, nobody can tell if it was 130kt into the water at the approach end, or 60kt off the far end after a bounce and a skid?

Had reverse thrust been armed/selected?

Had the "pilots" bounced and tried for a go-around?

Where are the answers?

[India Four Two]

Extract from a post on the US 7th Fleet website - my bold:

Flight PX56 crashed approximately a quarter mile short of the runway, near where UCT 2 was conducting operations. The Sailors assisted local authorities by shuttling passengers and crew to shore using their inflatable boat prior to the plane sinking in approximately 100 feet of water. UCT 2’s embedded Chief hospital corpsman provided medical attention to at least one passenger who sustained minor injuries.

U.S. Navy UCT 2 Renders Assistance Following Plane Crash in Chuuk > Commander, U.S. 7th Fleet > Display

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by India Four Two

Extract from a post on the US 7th Fleet website - my bold:

Flight PX56 crashed approximately a quarter mile short of the runway

Fair point.

If there were military eyewitnesses who saw the aircraft enter the water, that would be strong evidence of an undershoot.

But the report doesn't mention that, only what the Seabees did in the aftermath.

They also got the flight number wrong, though that's by the by.

[olderairhead]

"following the plane crashing into the sea on its approach"

[Sobelena]

I refer to my post on page 3. I've since been away for a week and on my return find we're now on page 11 and still not agreed on whether it was an undershoot or overshoot!

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by Sobelena

I refer to my post on page 3. I've since been away for a week and on my return find we're now on page 11 and still not agreed on whether it was an undershoot or overshoot!

Well OK, you tell us - short of an FDR/radar/ADS-B trajectory plot, what would you consider as indisputable evidence of either the undershoot or overshoot scenario ?

Have you seen any such evidence yet ?

[gulliBell]

It was an overshoot. The tail hit the end of the runway before splashing down in the lagoon.

https://www.thenational.com.pg/air-n...how-he-helped/

[Capt Fathom]

Right! According to one passenger.
Ask the other 30 passengers what happened and you’ll get another 30 version of events!

I particularly liked this bit... ‘The pilot turned the plane quickly and crash landed on the water.‘

[Tooheys]

Well done Rodney and Phillip,

“I need to be commended for the bravery I displayed at that time in utilising my skills to save lives”

so humble as well

[gulliBell]

Yeah, there is probably a cultural aspect to that, and fishing for a reward.

[Flingwing47]

" Yeah, there is probably a cultural aspect to that, and fishing for a reward. "

well, he is a fisherman !!

[double_barrel]

Originally Posted by Tooheys

Well done Rodney and Phillip,

“I need to be commended for the bravery I displayed at that time in utilising my skills to save lives”

so humble as well

I suggest that it is likely that the journalist asked: “Do you think you should be rewarded the bravery you displayed at that time in utilising your skills to save lives”

And he replied '...sure...'.

Journalists love to put their own ideas and preconceptions into the words of their interviewees.

[SnowFella]

Originally Posted by Capt Fathom

Right! According to one passenger.
Ask the other 30 passengers what happened and you’ll get another 30 version of events!

I particularly liked this bit... ‘The pilot turned the plane quickly and crash landed on the water.‘

And don't miss the part where he made sure to get his bag with him aswell.