Air Canada A321 landed despite go-around order
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The AVH never jumps to conclusions - opposite to you, who repeatedly sell your conclusions as fact even though they are verifyably completely wrong, and you even started to campaign against AVH with your "facts".
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Not beyond possibility for sure. But staying on the right freq for where you are is pretty fundamantal really. Why in hell would you change comms while still on approach?
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I heard that happen just today: aircraft on final found on the ground frequency and subsequently cleared to land by the ground controller (after an apology from the crew)
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The point is that separation of duties is key. Ground in anywhere I know are usually sitting next to the people in ATC doing inbound and approach, but having ground starting to give landing clearance looks like a perfect way to cause havoc.
Class 5 does not preclude an investigation, though it's obviously not used for events that involve damage, injury, etc and require significant resources such as deploying a go-team. Nor indeed does it preclude subsequently upgrading the event to a higher classification should that be deemed appropriate.
Given the media attention that the event has attracted, I suggest we watch this space.
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Why didn't the controller try to call them up on guard frequency? Don't most commercial aircraft have one radio dedicated to listen in on 121.5? And the controller probably have a touch key on his screen to enable him to transmit on guard easily .
Why didn't the controller try to call them up on guard frequency? Don't most commercial aircraft have one radio dedicated to listen in on 121.5? And the controller probably have a touch key on his screen to enable him to transmit on guard easily.
It’s a mistake, you don’t do it on purpose. Ive seen someone change to Tower when they were supposed to be on Approach. It’s caused by your brain running in auto mode and doing things without conscious thought.
often in the approach phase the number two radio is tuned to company operations or the ramp to get gate assignments and pass maintenance and other requests. Often does not get switched back to 121.5. I doubt tower has a guard transmitter anyway. Normally enroute sectors have that.
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At my Airlines, it is SOP to switch off guard below 10K, so one is not disturbed by the kiddies making animal noises during climbout and landing. Part of the sterile flight deck procedure.
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There are some things we all (well I do) remember from our very first lessons. The basics, which keep you safe.
Well, as I say, I’ve been sitting next to someone who has done the very same thing. Normally a very good operator, but his brain just did something automatically without thought. The most dangerous thought a pilot can have is that there is a category of errors so fundamentally basic that he could never make one. I have had an FO select flap to zero instead of the gear up. He never thought it would be an error he could possibly make, and yet he made it.
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Not unheard of to hear a tower or approach controller needing to use guard to give someone instructions. May want to raise that possibility with your flight operations management.
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Not unheard of to hear a tower or approach controller needing to use guard to give someone instructions.
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In the case of a late go around instruction, there would not be time to configure either. We do occasionally inquire on guard for aircraft no longer listening. Sometimes find them there too.
Regarding ATC (tower/ground) on 121,5... A few weeks ago at Munich airport, a Air Canada (hopefully a coincidence) A330 was holding for 08L with ground and tower trying to reach them with no luck. Ground or tower even tried on 121,5 so at least in Munich they can 
. We were holding behind the Air Canada and eventually got cleared to taxi around them. I tried to wave and tap my headset as a signal to check comms, don't know if it they even saw, but shortly after they did check-in with tower. It might have also been the fact that some pesky regional jet got to cut in front of them that made them wonder what was up, or just sheer coincidence.
. We were holding behind the Air Canada and eventually got cleared to taxi around them. I tried to wave and tap my headset as a signal to check comms, don't know if it they even saw, but shortly after they did check-in with tower. It might have also been the fact that some pesky regional jet got to cut in front of them that made them wonder what was up, or just sheer coincidence.
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In my active ATC days (unfortunately many years past now) grabbing the Guard (121.5/243.0) handset and transmitting to aircraft on the ground or in the circuit was a regular, but infrequent occurrence which usually "saved the day", if not the occasional life. As a result, those towers for which I have raised Operational requirements and technical specs in the past 15 years as a consultant, have easily accessible guard TX/Rx facilities.
Not my spec, but even Bonriki AFIS can by one touch on the screen TX on 121.5 and the RX monitor is always on and when the vendor finally gets around to the installation, Cassidy will have the same capability,
MJG
Not my spec, but even Bonriki AFIS can by one touch on the screen TX on 121.5 and the RX monitor is always on and when the vendor finally gets around to the installation, Cassidy will have the same capability,
MJG
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Well, as I say, I’ve been sitting next to someone who has done the very same thing. Normally a very good operator, but his brain just did something automatically without thought. The most dangerous thought a pilot can have is that there is a category of errors so fundamentally basic that he could never make one. I have had an FO select flap to zero instead of the gear up. He never thought it would be an error he could possibly make, and yet he made it.
Yeah. The guy who swapped the radios with me was the Capt and he wasn't happy with himself.
We actually had a company policy at the time to have both radios tuned to the appropriate frequency when in the terminal area (starting with Approach or Ground). En route we'd have the second one on 121.5 or company if required. So he managed to switch both radios automatically without thinking about it.
We actually had a company policy at the time to have both radios tuned to the appropriate frequency when in the terminal area (starting with Approach or Ground). En route we'd have the second one on 121.5 or company if required. So he managed to switch both radios automatically without thinking about it.