Ryanair FO faints in flight
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The thing is, if your employer does not provide you with food or refreshments (that's the way they are) then the importance of having food with you or means to buy food (i.e money) becomes important as much as having your licences and documentation with your prior to a flight. Just stick 20 bucks somewhere in your flight bag as emergency money in case you find yourself stuck in an Italian regional airport pulled out from stby at the very last minute and you forgot basically everything home except your licence. The brain works much better with a sandwich and some soda while you try to figure out how the heck you are going to get home.
Regarding overzealous security around, if you do have a legitimate doubt that they are not entitled to confiscate your food (ask them why) then take a picture of your gourmet meal and start a reporting process which could go up as much as to the UK CAA if needed.
Regarding overzealous security around, if you do have a legitimate doubt that they are not entitled to confiscate your food (ask them why) then take a picture of your gourmet meal and start a reporting process which could go up as much as to the UK CAA if needed.
And once again. It can happen that you forget to bring your money. That day was just **** and it made me angry that I had to cancel my lunch plans and the day was ruined. I just then didn't want to purchase overpriced food and drinks. In hindsight it would have been the safer way of course to just borrow a few bucks.
Lucky me I don't have to deal with UK security anymore 😊
Sorry, but no. Airline pilot for 20 years, scheduled and corporate. I have had the full spread down to nothing. It is your responsibility as a pilot to make sure you are healthy. If you work for a company that doesn’t provide free food you get your own. The reason our profession is going down the tubes is pilots accepting non union companies. The only thing stopping management from treating us like sh#t is us, but we have to step up.
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Almost everyone on this thread has decided the poor chap fainted due to lack of food or water. I have known a pilot faint due to having his collar buttoned up and when he turned his head quickly it just slightly restricted his throat. Once his tight top button was unfastened he was fine. The question in the above case is will the CAA ground the guy for a long time and make him undergo a load of tests and be reluctant to give his medical back.
Thread drift, I know, but many seem to have problems with food, so for what it’s worth, this is my method*
Before going to sleep prior to your duty, and after ironing your shirt, make a salad in a clear Tupperware box, (so the contents can be seen if required), about a 6 x 4 x 3 inch box does me, but adjust for your own requirements.
Bung in things like : lettuce, tomatoes, olives, peppers, sweetcorn, avocado, cucumber, beetroot, spring onion, mixed salad leaves, celery, artichoke, raw mushrooms etc, etc. Chop it all up** so it is easy to eat with just a fork. Don’t put salad dressing on, just a little bit of pure virgin olive oil.
For protein, you can add chopped up cheese, or prawns or ham, chicken, tuna. I put frozen prawns in - they keep the salad chilled and by the time I come to eat the salad, they have defrosted perfectly. Stick an apple, an easy peel orange, some unsalted nuts with the Tupperware in a lunch cool bag, and you have a very healthy and very tasty meal that will pass security with no problem. Pop the cool bag in the fridge until you get up to go to work. Takes about 10 mins to prepare.
Enjoy !
Anything over the liquid limit that could be hiding explosive or chemical material, such as yoghurt, chilli, curry, lasagne etc, might very well be confiscated by security. It is easy to see what is in a salad made as described.
*I often make my own food because it is much healthier than the sugar and fat laden goop we are sometimes given.
**I use kitchen scissors to chop the items straight into the box. Much easier and quicker than chopping with a knife on a board.
PS, Always carry your wallet and some cash, always carry a credit card. You never know when you might have an unscheduled night stop or get stuck down route.
Before going to sleep prior to your duty, and after ironing your shirt, make a salad in a clear Tupperware box, (so the contents can be seen if required), about a 6 x 4 x 3 inch box does me, but adjust for your own requirements.
Bung in things like : lettuce, tomatoes, olives, peppers, sweetcorn, avocado, cucumber, beetroot, spring onion, mixed salad leaves, celery, artichoke, raw mushrooms etc, etc. Chop it all up** so it is easy to eat with just a fork. Don’t put salad dressing on, just a little bit of pure virgin olive oil.
For protein, you can add chopped up cheese, or prawns or ham, chicken, tuna. I put frozen prawns in - they keep the salad chilled and by the time I come to eat the salad, they have defrosted perfectly. Stick an apple, an easy peel orange, some unsalted nuts with the Tupperware in a lunch cool bag, and you have a very healthy and very tasty meal that will pass security with no problem. Pop the cool bag in the fridge until you get up to go to work. Takes about 10 mins to prepare.
Enjoy !
Anything over the liquid limit that could be hiding explosive or chemical material, such as yoghurt, chilli, curry, lasagne etc, might very well be confiscated by security. It is easy to see what is in a salad made as described.
*I often make my own food because it is much healthier than the sugar and fat laden goop we are sometimes given.
**I use kitchen scissors to chop the items straight into the box. Much easier and quicker than chopping with a knife on a board.
PS, Always carry your wallet and some cash, always carry a credit card. You never know when you might have an unscheduled night stop or get stuck down route.
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Congratulations!
You just invented the Catering Company.
I for one stay at 3 star hotels were one or two are missing.
Danish rug brød the the first few days and reindeer sausage.
Then flatbread and sandwichmeat.
The Low Cost Gypsy Captain brings his own stuff.
Argggghhhh.
Why am I even responding to this when I am all for grounding the world Aviation Industry for 14 days until we get back the old T&C.
Anyway.
Got a lobster last time so time for some Fish Crab and Lobster.
Bacalotime!
You all watch you diet now
Jamie O. ak Cpt B
You just invented the Catering Company.
I for one stay at 3 star hotels were one or two are missing.
Danish rug brød the the first few days and reindeer sausage.
Then flatbread and sandwichmeat.
The Low Cost Gypsy Captain brings his own stuff.
Argggghhhh.
Why am I even responding to this when I am all for grounding the world Aviation Industry for 14 days until we get back the old T&C.
Anyway.
Got a lobster last time so time for some Fish Crab and Lobster.
Bacalotime!
You all watch you diet now
Jamie O. ak Cpt B
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Wow are there really so many companies where pilots aren't offered free food or water?
I work for a low cost and everyday we get a big bottle of water, one hot meal from a menu (sometimes we can ask for a second round as there's always plenty of food),salad,bread, yogurt,then a sandwich and some snacks/cocholate. All free. Quality is between acceptable and good.
Unbelievable that some companies won't give their crew any water in order to save money. Not even a discount from what ive heard.
I work for a low cost and everyday we get a big bottle of water, one hot meal from a menu (sometimes we can ask for a second round as there's always plenty of food),salad,bread, yogurt,then a sandwich and some snacks/cocholate. All free. Quality is between acceptable and good.
Unbelievable that some companies won't give their crew any water in order to save money. Not even a discount from what ive heard.
So how is the pilot concerned?
Is he/she back in the air?
Is he/she back in the air?
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Thread drift, I know, but many seem to have problems with food, so for what it’s worth, this is my method*
Before going to sleep prior to your duty, and after ironing your shirt, make a salad in a clear Tupperware box, (so the contents can be seen if required), about a 6 x 4 x 3 inch box does me, but adjust for your own requirements.
Bung in things like : lettuce, tomatoes, olives, peppers, sweetcorn, avocado, cucumber, beetroot, spring onion, mixed salad leaves, celery, artichoke, raw mushrooms etc, etc. Chop it all up** so it is easy to eat with just a fork. Don’t put salad dressing on, just a little bit of pure virgin olive oil.
For protein, you can add chopped up cheese, or prawns or ham, chicken, tuna. I put frozen prawns in - they keep the salad chilled and by the time I come to eat the salad, they have defrosted perfectly. Stick an apple, an easy peel orange, some unsalted nuts with the Tupperware in a lunch cool bag, and you have a very healthy and very tasty meal that will pass security with no problem. Pop the cool bag in the fridge until you get up to go to work. Takes about 10 mins to prepare.
Enjoy !
Anything over the liquid limit that could be hiding explosive or chemical material, such as yoghurt, chilli, curry, lasagne etc, might very well be confiscated by security. It is easy to see what is in a salad made as described.
*I often make my own food because it is much healthier than the sugar and fat laden goop we are sometimes given.
**I use kitchen scissors to chop the items straight into the box. Much easier and quicker than chopping with a knife on a board.
PS, Always carry your wallet and some cash, always carry a credit card. You never know when you might have an unscheduled night stop or get stuck down route.
Before going to sleep prior to your duty, and after ironing your shirt, make a salad in a clear Tupperware box, (so the contents can be seen if required), about a 6 x 4 x 3 inch box does me, but adjust for your own requirements.
Bung in things like : lettuce, tomatoes, olives, peppers, sweetcorn, avocado, cucumber, beetroot, spring onion, mixed salad leaves, celery, artichoke, raw mushrooms etc, etc. Chop it all up** so it is easy to eat with just a fork. Don’t put salad dressing on, just a little bit of pure virgin olive oil.
For protein, you can add chopped up cheese, or prawns or ham, chicken, tuna. I put frozen prawns in - they keep the salad chilled and by the time I come to eat the salad, they have defrosted perfectly. Stick an apple, an easy peel orange, some unsalted nuts with the Tupperware in a lunch cool bag, and you have a very healthy and very tasty meal that will pass security with no problem. Pop the cool bag in the fridge until you get up to go to work. Takes about 10 mins to prepare.
Enjoy !
Anything over the liquid limit that could be hiding explosive or chemical material, such as yoghurt, chilli, curry, lasagne etc, might very well be confiscated by security. It is easy to see what is in a salad made as described.
*I often make my own food because it is much healthier than the sugar and fat laden goop we are sometimes given.
**I use kitchen scissors to chop the items straight into the box. Much easier and quicker than chopping with a knife on a board.
PS, Always carry your wallet and some cash, always carry a credit card. You never know when you might have an unscheduled night stop or get stuck down route.
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Assuming that a self prepared could be safely negotiated past security, would a flight crew member be allowed by Ryanair's draconian rules to actually take it on board for consumption ?
Thanks for your time and trouble
David
Thanks for your time and trouble
David
If you think about it, providing food and drink for flight crew is very cheap insurance indeed for the airline. For the cost of a few sarnies and teabags, they can ensure that their pilots won’t be taking off or landing with low blood sugar. Like hypoxia, it’s insidious.
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I am astonished at the way this thread has developed. My briefest lines of thought.
Have you EVER fainted? A very significant question in the early medical forms.
16 hour days with a captain that ran on beer, cigarettes and a greasy breakfast in the Pax hotel Rotterdam. Ring a bell any of you SEN guys in the early 60's?
Oh, that brings back a memory. Our hard-working girl (singular) and the 40-odd passengers we managed to get in a DC3. I hid her collapsed body behind the radio rack, though the passengers were not fooled judging by their popping eyeballs. Still, my captain had flown over the hump in Burma, with the scenery going by under his feet due to lack of aircraft skin. No sympathy from him. No fainting allowed by the ones up front.
What you put in your sandwiches??!! Oh, FFS, get real. No water for 12 hours, okay, that would be tedious, but you would be too feeble-minded to be a pilot because of lack of balls. No food for say, 10, and you pass out? You need to know the reason. Fever? Fine, just being human. Food poisoning? Valid stuff. Tummy a bit empty? This is where you walk into the boss' office and let him know what snot-spraying rage is about. Or, you prove your questionable worth by handing your over-mayonnaised sandwiches to security . . . only to find them eating them when you happen to backtrack to your ops for a forgotten document. Yes, it happened, and if I'd been that crew member, it's likely I'd have needed the services of Flying Lawyer.
If you faint, something is wrong. It may be very minor but all interested parties need to know why it happened - the functioning of the two brains up front is akin to neurological ETOPS. Collar too tight? It's like swooning because your seat is not comfy. You don't notice when you turn your head that your neck is being restricted? Oh for you as a judo opponent. Have you any idea how well the jugular and carotid(s) are protected?
I doubt the authorities will just shrug and let this by. I wish they would, it would be heartbreaking to think of a licence being lost for anything but the clearest of reasons, but when half the main processing power of an airliner is switched off, everyone needs to know precisely why.
Have you EVER fainted? A very significant question in the early medical forms.
16 hour days with a captain that ran on beer, cigarettes and a greasy breakfast in the Pax hotel Rotterdam. Ring a bell any of you SEN guys in the early 60's?
Oh, that brings back a memory. Our hard-working girl (singular) and the 40-odd passengers we managed to get in a DC3. I hid her collapsed body behind the radio rack, though the passengers were not fooled judging by their popping eyeballs. Still, my captain had flown over the hump in Burma, with the scenery going by under his feet due to lack of aircraft skin. No sympathy from him. No fainting allowed by the ones up front.
What you put in your sandwiches??!! Oh, FFS, get real. No water for 12 hours, okay, that would be tedious, but you would be too feeble-minded to be a pilot because of lack of balls. No food for say, 10, and you pass out? You need to know the reason. Fever? Fine, just being human. Food poisoning? Valid stuff. Tummy a bit empty? This is where you walk into the boss' office and let him know what snot-spraying rage is about. Or, you prove your questionable worth by handing your over-mayonnaised sandwiches to security . . . only to find them eating them when you happen to backtrack to your ops for a forgotten document. Yes, it happened, and if I'd been that crew member, it's likely I'd have needed the services of Flying Lawyer.
If you faint, something is wrong. It may be very minor but all interested parties need to know why it happened - the functioning of the two brains up front is akin to neurological ETOPS. Collar too tight? It's like swooning because your seat is not comfy. You don't notice when you turn your head that your neck is being restricted? Oh for you as a judo opponent. Have you any idea how well the jugular and carotid(s) are protected?
I doubt the authorities will just shrug and let this by. I wish they would, it would be heartbreaking to think of a licence being lost for anything but the clearest of reasons, but when half the main processing power of an airliner is switched off, everyone needs to know precisely why.
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Loose Rivets.
Finally someone pointing out the obvious here. thanks!
The Good old Chief Dr in Oslo , now long retired showed no mercy on anyone foolish enough to tick that box.
Grounded until such time he was 110% sure it did not occur again.
ie : He had to know why!
It was after all his responsibility and business.
I hope proper tests was taken and that the Fo recovers and can fly in the future.
If medically fit at ALL times.
Regards
Cpt B
Finally someone pointing out the obvious here. thanks!
The Good old Chief Dr in Oslo , now long retired showed no mercy on anyone foolish enough to tick that box.
Grounded until such time he was 110% sure it did not occur again.
ie : He had to know why!
It was after all his responsibility and business.
I hope proper tests was taken and that the Fo recovers and can fly in the future.
If medically fit at ALL times.
Regards
Cpt B
