Someone stole a Q400 from Seattle?
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I'm really disappointed - this being a Professional Pilots Forum - that none of you are questioning the official version of this event. A baggage loader successfully operating the systems of a Q400, taxying, takeoff, loops / rolls near ground level at first try? I was born on a day but that day wasn't yesterday.
I guess this is how the System keeps us in check. If you point out the holes in the story of these events you probably won't be a professional pilot for very long....
I guess this is how the System keeps us in check. If you point out the holes in the story of these events you probably won't be a professional pilot for very long....
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Yes that was an interesting comment. It was telling in some respects because if had he been one of those Flight Sim guys he probably would have been more forthright in mentioning that. But his reference to 'video games' suggest any simulated flying he had may have been more rudimentary and maybe even app based. In other words he knew what pull back and push forward would do. But who knows, the Q400 was cleaned up after take off so he wan't entirely lacking the necessaries to fly it. I'm sure that worked in favour of the chase F-15 who was better placed than had he been dirty and approaching stall!!
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He flew out to the Olympic Mountains, that probably were most beautiful that time of day, and said goodbye to life.
That there is reckless behaviour in a person that isn't anymore afraid of dying shouldn't be a Nobel Prize worthy realization.
Would you rather had him take off, buzz around and not talk to controllers what this was all about?
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Later in the recordings It sounds like he might be crying as he talks to the other pilot and ATC about landing. He also said he didn’t expect to make it after the roll.
He was heading for the Olympic mountains, at a guess that was his intended final destination but the talk between pilots/atc might have just convinced him to not do it. I don’t think he ever intended to land the plane when he got on it. I think the ATC/pilot chat in the air will have made him realise this wasn’t the way to go.
Not sure if the crash was a landing attempt or not but there is a lesson in not ignoring mental health to be learnt here.
. He knew what he was doing was wrong and he stated he didn't want anybody to get hurt. I think his maintaining comms with a very professional controller and mmmm mostly obeying his requests ensured no one got hurt on the ground or in the air.
I'm with PukinDog on this one.
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So it's clearly not what it appears to be? Something way more sinister?
Mmm.....
Perhaps Rich just loved the planes he worked with and read up all about them to learn how they're started and operated. Maybe he's been in the cockpits many times and innocently had yarns with various pilots showing enthusiasm and they've imparted some knowledge to him. Then with his home sim he'd learnt the fundamentals of flying them enough to get this one underway and airborne. The maneuvers aren't all that advanced if you've tried stuff like this on a sim a few times.
Maybe you'd like Alex Jones to cover this story for a bit more "depth of investigation" Lol!
(one thing I really think the world just doesn't need is yet another conspiracy theory about an aircraft accident; be this one a deliberate act. A very troubled man is dead, his family in considerable pain, the ATC controller probably heavily affected too, and his work colleagues at the airline shocked.....I really don't think it's too much more than that and as someone above has alluded to, if you do some research on what the black dog is and what it can do to a person this sad incident is simply a tragedy, nothing more)
I'm really disappointed - this being a Professional Pilots Forum - that none of you are questioning the official version of this event. A baggage loader successfully operating the systems of a Q400, taxying, takeoff, loops / rolls near ground level at first try? I was born on a day but that day wasn't yesterday.
I guess this is how the System keeps us in check. If you point out the holes in the story of these events you probably won't be a professional pilot for very long....
I guess this is how the System keeps us in check. If you point out the holes in the story of these events you probably won't be a professional pilot for very long....
Impossible except through dumb luck.
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You're assuming that a suicidal human thinks like a regular, fully functioning human. They do not. He probably decribed it best himself when he said he had a couple of screws loose. It's a failure of a biological component at which point everything that might seem simplistically normal to you or me no longer applies.
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at an international airport
-you would get every attention when you startup the engines without any startup clearance and with no flightplan of this aircraft in the system
- you would surely trigger a full blown alert when you start to taxi an aircraft without radio communication to ground , without startup and taxi clearance and without any flightplan issued .
i,m wondering how he made it to takeoff position on the runway ??? i would expect you would be blocked with e.g a fire truck to reach the runway in such a case
-you would get every attention when you startup the engines without any startup clearance and with no flightplan of this aircraft in the system
- you would surely trigger a full blown alert when you start to taxi an aircraft without radio communication to ground , without startup and taxi clearance and without any flightplan issued .
i,m wondering how he made it to takeoff position on the runway ??? i would expect you would be blocked with e.g a fire truck to reach the runway in such a case
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-you would get every attention when you startup the engines without any startup clearance and with no flightplan of this aircraft in the system
- you would surely trigger a full blown alert when you start to taxi an aircraft without radio communication to ground , without startup and taxi clearance and without any flightplan issued .
i,m wondering how he made it to takeoff position on the runway ??? i would expect you would be blocked with e.g a fire truck to reach the runway in such a case
-you would get every attention when you startup the engines without any startup clearance and with no flightplan of this aircraft in the system
- you would surely trigger a full blown alert when you start to taxi an aircraft without radio communication to ground , without startup and taxi clearance and without any flightplan issued .
i,m wondering how he made it to takeoff position on the runway ??? i would expect you would be blocked with e.g a fire truck to reach the runway in such a case
I don’t think he was showing off. From the statements he made, and perhaps the tone, it seemed to me he had a grievance against the company, a feeling that he had been given the rough end of a pineapple, so to speak. I think he was sending a message to the company, and perhaps trying to make them pay somehow.
Regardless, a needless tragedy. If you haven’t been in a dark place yet, you will probably get there sometime. Hopefully, someone will give you a hand back up.
Regardless, a needless tragedy. If you haven’t been in a dark place yet, you will probably get there sometime. Hopefully, someone will give you a hand back up.
Great, not only do we have conspiracy theory 'nutters' on here we also have people with no understanding of mental health. Yes, I do see the irony in that statement but some of the comments here show no respect for this man's famiy, friends, co-workers or the ATC guys who had to listen to this and work through it.
Mental health is a huge problem in society, it needs addressing properley not sweeping under the carpet or blaming the individual.
Think on.
Mental health is a huge problem in society, it needs addressing properley not sweeping under the carpet or blaming the individual.
Think on.
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Dont fret Dirty Prop. Your air tickets paid for the insurance premiums and the insurance company budgeted for losses. No one lost anything except perhaps some reduced dividend to the shareholders of the insurance company. The F-15 guys got some extremely good training which comes out of their training and operational budgets again, already accounted for.
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I don’t think he was showing off. From the statements he made, and perhaps the tone, it seemed to me he had a grievance against the company, a feeling that he had been given the rough end of a pineapple, so to speak. I think he was sending a message to the company, and perhaps trying to make them pay somehow.
Regardless, a needless tragedy. If you haven’t been in a dark place yet, you will probably get there sometime. Hopefully, someone will give you a hand back up.
Regardless, a needless tragedy. If you haven’t been in a dark place yet, you will probably get there sometime. Hopefully, someone will give you a hand back up.
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Agree. It was a barrel roll that never looked like being one. Or a very poorly executed aileron roll or a screwed up split-s. Whatever it was it was indeed dumb luck that he ended up pulling out of it, although that may not have been the outcome he was looking for. The wings did not appear to be threatening to clap wingtips and the light aircraft (almost out of fuel by the sounds of it) was probably more sprightly and agile than he thought (expected).
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turin , nobody says the atc is faked .
i,m personally say its only strange how he was able and had the time to start the engines , at least connect the generators to the bus , start the avionics , taxi away to the runway and depart . it appears they got alerted when he was about to lineup which is very late . ground control sleeping ?
i,m personally say its only strange how he was able and had the time to start the engines , at least connect the generators to the bus , start the avionics , taxi away to the runway and depart . it appears they got alerted when he was about to lineup which is very late . ground control sleeping ?
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The cargo area at SEA is north of the terminals, and somewhat less well-lit. It is also close to the threshold for the active runway, so he would have had minimal taxi time/distance. According to the local news, he started up, waited for a gap between 2 other taxiing airplanes, and snuck between them. The one in front of him was cleared for takeoff, and he simply followed.
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I have no experience of a Q400 but, if it’s like every aircraft I’ve flown, you don’t need avionics in order to get airborne. Especially when you consider the guy’s intentions.
Engines can be started very quickly and you are ready to taxy within a minute of the noise starting. All of this at an airport where noise levels are high anyway.
Given the circumstances I don’t think many airports would have been able to intervene in time. That may, of course, change in the future.
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Engines can be started very quickly and you are ready to taxy within a minute of the noise starting. All of this at an airport where noise levels are high anyway.
Given the circumstances I don’t think many airports would have been able to intervene in time. That may, of course, change in the future.
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turin , nobody says the atc is faked .
i,m personally say its only strange how he was able and had the time to start the engines , at least connect the generators to the bus , start the avionics , taxi away to the runway and depart . it appears they got alerted when he was about to lineup which is very late . ground control sleeping ?
i,m personally say its only strange how he was able and had the time to start the engines , at least connect the generators to the bus , start the avionics , taxi away to the runway and depart . it appears they got alerted when he was about to lineup which is very late . ground control sleeping ?
