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Old 15th Jul 2018, 07:33
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Originally Posted by slip and turn View Post
According to FR24 data for EI-ENM, (which as per usual does currently contain one or two spurious entries), this airframe is perhaps nothing less than typical in that it would appear to have flown every single day in the last 3 months bar 2 spent offline at Stansted back in April. For the 14 nights prior to the incident which occurred when it was en route to Zadar on the last sector of the day, the aircraft had been based and/or overnighted in Zadar after arriving mostly after 2300 and leaving mostly before 0700 each day. Again not unusual is that excluding the two days offline, it has averaged approx. 5 sectors per day over the last 3 months, and 7 per day whilst operating out of Zadar. On three days it seems to have done 8 sectors starting the day and ending it at Zadar including the day of the incident... I bet some airlines wished they were as busy, eh?
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In the last three months, excluding a few one-off single nights at other destinations, EI-ENM seems to have been based and/or overnighted at Bratislava (6 consecutive nights), Stansted (20 nights which included the 2 days offline 23-24 April), Pafos (2 nights), Tenerife (7 nights), East Midlands (13 nights), Alicante (2 nights), Cork (2 nights), Stansted again (2 nights), Luga (7 nights), Brussels (6 nights), Zadar (14 nights) in that order (all numbers given are for consecutive nights).
Is any of that relevant to Friday's incident ?

Do Ryanair's other 400-odd B738s that haven't experienced a sudden decompression not have similar utilisation ?
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Old 15th Jul 2018, 09:06
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Originally Posted by His dudeness View Post

So ? I personally would not like to spent any amount of time with some FR pax AND some bizjetpax. (and vv....)

Got news for you: I PERSONALLY know quite a few who do both - use FR and bizjets, I know an OWNER of a bizjets who still sometimes uses FR.

The point is: as along as they are cheap on fares, they will get their aircraft filled. Come hell or high water. May they treat their pax good or bad. Most people don´t care.
I see you’ve deleted your putdown of Ryanair and their pax but still want to have your 2c worth.

The gashest outfit I ever flew for was an executive jet operator. The pax thought they were getting the very best of services as it was very expensive and the catering was first class, but in front of the pulled curtain it was a very different story.

Most people ASSUME too much, but I think they definitely do care.

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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post
I see you’ve deleted your putdown of Ryanair and their pax but still want to have your 2c worth.
I haven´t. It got deleted and I have a hunch to why that took place.

And there was no putdown, especially not of the pax. All I said basically that they (the pax) go to where the cheapest prices are. And as long as FR have em, their tube will be filled.

It is not my business what you read INTO my posts. I stand to every word I wrote.
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Old 15th Jul 2018, 15:02
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Is any of that relevant to Friday's incident ?
That'll be for others to establish, won't it? Nevertheless I think we can safely take a punt and say that the particular base or overnighting pattern will be unique to this airframe. Ryanair has some 90 "bases" now I believe. Not been to Zadar myself for a few years but I remember it was quite a small airport. I read it became a Ryanair base 5 years ago, and it currently serves Ryanair routes to 16 destinations I believe - mostly in the summer I guess. Naturally, it is not one of the handful or so of Ryanair heavy maintenance bases like Stansted, or like Hahn. I don't know whether its is still true generally that just one Ryanair airframe overnights at Zadar, and one local firm arrives on airport and checks it late each night. I can however see that EI-DWF was based there continuously for the first three weeks in June for example, and EI-ENT for the last two weeks of May, and others this summer may have filled in and only have been "based" there for an odd night or two. The aircraft which may have been used to relieve beleaguered pax from Hahn to Zadar overnighted in Zadar, squeezed in four more sectors yesterday after first arriving at Zadar, and has been away doing three more today so far.
Originally Posted by Ryanair-FY2017-Annual-Report.pdf (p.76)
Maintenance and repair services that may become necessary while an aircraft is located at some of the other airports served by Ryanair are provided by other EASA Part 145-approved contract maintenance providers. Aircraft return each evening to Ryanair’s bases, where they are examined by either Ryanair’s approved personnel or by local EASA Part 145-approved companies.
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Do Ryanair's other 400-odd B738s that haven't experienced a sudden decompression not have similar utilisation ?
Haven't dismissed that general premise, but common utilisation patterns are one thing, and the specifics of a particular airframe's recent history are quite another, surely?
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But the idea that the occurrence of one incident somehow means that there can't be a systematic problem because "there would have been more such incidents" does not hold up.
I don't recall saying, implying or even thinking that.

My point is simply that the probability of what the aircraft was doing in the days/weeks/months prior to the event being relevant to what occurred on Friday is very unlikely (IMHO).

I haven't seen any arguments to make me change that view. As passengers were reportedly injured, there will presumably be an investigation - it will be interesting to see what conclusions that comes up with.
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Old 15th Jul 2018, 16:53
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
My point is simply that the probability of what the aircraft was doing in the days/weeks/months prior to the event being relevant to what occurred on Friday is very unlikely (IMHO).
Oh C'mon, Dave, in this business, what the aircraft was doing and where it was when it wasn't flying is an extremely good indicator of time available and likely resources available in order to check it, and it is surely a valid question to ask whether if it is moved frequently between bases, systems are adequate for it to be consistently monitored and consistently pro-actively diagnosed and treated in the time available at the various locations they base it at?

Have you dipped into Ryanair's last Annual Report? I find it an extremely good read. It is refreshingly open-minded about risks to the business associated with reliance upon external providers (outsourcing) and risks to good management associated with rapid growth.

See page 60 (The Company is Dependent on External Service Providers): "In addition, although Ryanair seeks to monitor the performance of external parties that provide passenger and aircraft handling services, the efficiency, timeliness, and quality of contract performance by external providers are largely beyond Ryanair’s direct control. Ryanair expects to be dependent on such outsourcing arrangements for the foreseeable future."
And page 58: (The Company’s Growth May Expose it to Risks): "The continued expansion of Ryanair’s fleet and operations combined with other factors, may also strain existing management resources and related operational, financial, management information and information technology systems. Expansion will generally require additional skilled personnel, equipment, facilities and systems. An inability to hire skilled personnel or to secure required equipment and facilities efficiently and in a cost-effective manner may adversely affect Ryanair’s ability to achieve its growth plans and sustain or increase its profitability".
Page 65 even goes as far as reminding: Safety-Related Undertakings Could Affect the Company’s Results. Aviation authorities in Europe and the United States periodically require or suggest that airlines implement certain safety-related procedures on their aircraft. In recent years, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (the “FAA”) has required a number of such procedures with regard to Boeing 737-800 aircraft, including major modifications to implement changes to the take-off configuration warning lights, cabin pressurization system ...

Ryanair does not blind its investors. Let us not blind ourselves here.
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common causes of rapid decompression

I am a non expert. Grateful if someone can tell me what are the common causes of decompression in modern aircraft. Are they often stuck valves or failures in the skin ? Many thanks.
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Can give you two I know of in our fleet;

1. Leakage around a cargo door due to a buckled scuff plate (very slow decompression, able to keep pressure at lower alt)
2. A broken drain pipe in the water system. Residual water that wasnt drained, got trapped, froze and eventually the pipe broke on a subsequent flight. (quick decompression)
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Originally Posted by slip and turn View Post
Oh C'mon, Dave, in this business, what the aircraft was doing and where it was when it wasn't flying is an extremely good indicator of time available and likely resources available in order to check it, and it is surely a valid question to ask whether if it is moved frequently between bases, systems are adequate for it to be consistently monitored and consistently pro-actively diagnosed and treated in the time available at the various locations they base it at?

Have you dipped into Ryanair's last Annual Report? I find it an extremely good read. It is refreshingly open-minded about risks to the business associated with reliance upon external providers (outsourcing) and risks to good management associated with rapid growth.

See page 60 (The Company is Dependent on External Service Providers): "In addition, although Ryanair seeks to monitor the performance of external parties that provide passenger and aircraft handling services, the efficiency, timeliness, and quality of contract performance by external providers are largely beyond Ryanair’s direct control. Ryanair expects to be dependent on such outsourcing arrangements for the foreseeable future."
And page 58: (The Company’s Growth May Expose it to Risks): "The continued expansion of Ryanair’s fleet and operations combined with other factors, may also strain existing management resources and related operational, financial, management information and information technology systems. Expansion will generally require additional skilled personnel, equipment, facilities and systems. An inability to hire skilled personnel or to secure required equipment and facilities efficiently and in a cost-effective manner may adversely affect Ryanair’s ability to achieve its growth plans and sustain or increase its profitability".
Page 65 even goes as far as reminding: Safety-Related Undertakings Could Affect the Company’s Results. Aviation authorities in Europe and the United States periodically require or suggest that airlines implement certain safety-related procedures on their aircraft. In recent years, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (the “FAA”) has required a number of such procedures with regard to Boeing 737-800 aircraft, including major modifications to implement changes to the take-off configuration warning lights, cabin pressurization system ...

Ryanair does not blind its investors. Let us not blind ourselves here.
This applies to most Airlines. If an airline lands at say Heathrow it is dependant largely on the ground services that that airlines contract. It has no direct say in how they are provided and the only alternative is to stop going there.
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Some of the passengers on this flight are taking legal action against Ryanair for injuries sustained.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37163536.html
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Some of the passengers on this flight are taking legal action against Ryanair for injuries sustained.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37163536.html
Bloody Germans
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Bloody Germans
Exactly. Providing an airfield for an emergency and emergency support/medical aid. Intolerable. Best you´d sent the RAF over.
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