Jazz Q400 Hard Landing
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The Pilots didn’t know it was a hard landing!!
5.7G would have been a big hit. If they thought it was normal I’d hate to have been their pax on all other flights......
5.7G would have been a big hit. If they thought it was normal I’d hate to have been their pax on all other flights......
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An instantaneous acceleration of 5.7G which was a pure peak might well not be felt by a human as that high, depending on the shape of the peak. The 5/7G was calculated from system characteristics and not from recorded accelerometer data
The calculated theoretical vertical load that would have been instantaneously generated when the landing gear bottomed out was at least 5.7g, which exceeded the design criteria for the landing gear
The pilots therefore conducted a visual inspection of the aircraft themselves, found nothing abnormal, and decided to operate the return flight, landing uneventfully back in Montreal.An inspection at Montreal, however, revealed the Toronto landing...caused buckling of the aircraft's skin below the windows on the right side and damaged the right-side landing gear.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-landi-450086/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-landi-450086/
could this be????????????.
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That force "exceeded the design criteria for the landing gear" and triggered an "inertia switch" designed to activate when subjected to a force of 5.5g, says the TSB.
That switch cuts power to the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, ensuring those recorders do not erase data after a crash, the TSB says.
The pilots received a warning in the cockpit of a problem with the flight recorder.
So, not only a damaged ac, the FDR and CVR were not working on the flight?
AC now has something similar...A switch cuts power to the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, ensuring those recorders do not erase data after a landing....
That switch cuts power to the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, ensuring those recorders do not erase data after a crash, the TSB says.
The pilots received a warning in the cockpit of a problem with the flight recorder.
So, not only a damaged ac, the FDR and CVR were not working on the flight?
AC now has something similar...A switch cuts power to the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, ensuring those recorders do not erase data after a landing....
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From flight global report:
Reduce the thickness of the flight crew's seat cushion?
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Jazz h as provided additional training to help crews recognise hard landings ...
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@gwillie
It's possible that the gear damage was not evident to a visual inspection, especially by pilots rather than a LG specialist, and it could be they were concentrating on the gear etc - looking for evidence of a hard landing - and never really looked at the fuselage skin - which, after all, no-one around the aircraft had noticed, so it may not have been especially evident - the departure was at or after dark, so the lighting may not have been great.
It's possible that the gear damage was not evident to a visual inspection, especially by pilots rather than a LG specialist, and it could be they were concentrating on the gear etc - looking for evidence of a hard landing - and never really looked at the fuselage skin - which, after all, no-one around the aircraft had noticed, so it may not have been especially evident - the departure was at or after dark, so the lighting may not have been great.
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sorry, I didn't read the report properly, nothing to see here, move along
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is anybody even considering a potential sensor problem?
First off, they bent the tube. (and broke the landing gear) They hit hard enough to bend the ac, and didnt realize a difference?
Second, other than the crash sensor shutting down the FDR/CVR, there is no real time indicator of the G force avail to the drivers.
There was most certainly a problem with the sensors, both of them in the front seats.
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Did you read the report?
First off, they bent the tube. (and broke the landing gear) They hit hard enough to bend the ac, and didnt realize a difference?
Second, other than the crash sensor shutting down the FDR/CVR, there is no real time indicator of the G force avail to the drivers.
There was most certainly a problem with the sensors, both of them in the front seats.
First off, they bent the tube. (and broke the landing gear) They hit hard enough to bend the ac, and didnt realize a difference?
Second, other than the crash sensor shutting down the FDR/CVR, there is no real time indicator of the G force avail to the drivers.
There was most certainly a problem with the sensors, both of them in the front seats.
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I personally looked at the aircraft a couple of days later, when it was brought in the hangar for repair.....extremely hard to see any damage. The skin wrinkles on the rh side..unless you looked at them from the right angle with the right background light, you don’t see it.
I personally looked at the aircraft a couple of days later, when it was brought in the hangar for repair.....extremely hard to see any damage. The skin wrinkles on the rh side..unless you looked at them from the right angle with the right background light, you don’t see it.
