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Old 10th Aug 2018, 10:25
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Oh I love it... just my personal vendetta against RYR...what goes around comes around ����
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Old 10th Aug 2018, 10:37
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The difficulty is that whatever happens, MOL is going to walk away with more money than you or I could ever imagine.
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Old 10th Aug 2018, 12:18
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Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
Hey Guys/Girls. As an aviator and someone with global flying and work experience, perhaps I can make a presumptuous suggestion or propose an idea. Why doesn’t a US pilot union get involved in European labor issues? I’ve worked overseas without a union, in the US without a union and in the US with ALPA and Teamsters. I can say, with very few exceptions and through experience that having a union to back you up and represent our interests is many legs up on being caught “high and dry”. Has anyone proposed even speaking to a pilots union that could Represent European pilots as a WHOLE, instead of being divided, conquered and screwed by management? As long as no one from Thpain is involved...
There's a regular sharing of knowledge across the Atlantic (and across the rest of the globe) regarding industrial issues and industrial action via IFALPA, where ALPA Intl. and the European Pilot Associations - joined themselves within ECA meet regularly. The current developments at Ryanair AFAIK are based on a multinational multi-union working group where pilot unions of countries with Ryanair bases join forces and act in a synchronized way. (Which replaced previous attempts to form a single association within Ryanair.)

As noted above it is indeed interesting that MOL rejected a single negotiating committee and now has to deal with 10 variations of something he doesn't seem to understand. Good luck and stamina to all pilots involved (and to cabin crews as well!). We should all petition our pilot reps to put enough resources in this fight (even if the share of Ryanair pilot members is still small) as a change in work practices at Ryanair will undoubtedly benefit all European pilots.
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Old 10th Aug 2018, 13:36
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Originally Posted by Alpine Flyer View Post
As noted above it is indeed interesting that MOL rejected a single negotiating committee and now has to deal with 10 variations of something he doesn't seem to understand
I predict that Ryanair will now attempt to negotiate preferential terms with the unions of the countries that have the most clout (i.e. Germany) in order to eliminate them from any future action.

Ironically no doubt this will harden union positions on the very central issue of base transfers; because there is no gain in negotiating decent terms in one area, if these rights can effectively be stripped simply by transferring staff to another country, where perhaps the local labor laws are weaker

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Old 10th Aug 2018, 14:53
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The difficulty is that whatever happens, MOL is going to walk away with more money than you or I could ever imagine.
But without the pleasure of getting what he wants this time
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 09:21
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Ryanair pilots on strike : you have my full support. What you are doing is for the sake of the all pilot community (current and futur).
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 12:14
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Originally Posted by JW411 View Post
The difficulty is that whatever happens, MOL is going to walk away with more money than you or I could ever imagine.
Personally I couldn't care less if he leaves with an envelope or wheelbarrow full; the only item of interest to me, is seeing the end of the horrendous labour practices employed by Ryanair.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 15:56
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To quote Well Used!
"incredibly poor middle management unable to voice concerns to high profile directors who are interested in nothing more than headline profits. Pair this with inept crewing practices, poor rostering and the perfect storm brews."
Indeed it is so,and getting worse by the day!
Many companies are becoming "Swiss cheese" factories!...with us pilots spending more and more time preventing the holes lining up!
Its a credit to individuals that safety is still paramount,even when not one management character ever seems to attend the average CRM course!
How about someone starting an "Incredible but true rostering" thread,for example..
We can then post some actual roster lines,without naming companies...We know the press are paying attention,maybe they should be our direct line to the punters,who don't realise what they are sacrificing,for their cut price travel!

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Old 16th Aug 2018, 09:16
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-to-end-strike
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 06:18
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Originally Posted by beachbumflyer View Post
Chief Executive Officer Michael O’Leary says he won’t accept terms that jeopardize the low cost base that’s made his company so dominant in short-haul flying.
Paradoxically for Michael, the low unit cost is a result of two things 1: Over supply of pilots 2: Adversarial employment relations.
The entire business model is flawed. It is flawed for an elementary reason, with pre- condition 1 not being met, pre- condition 2 no longer holds.
Therefore given that operating unit cost is effectively fixed (with the exception of labour) and reduction in asymmetry is ipso facto a risk to business continuance of this model.

Unless RYR abandons their pre - conditions which from all elements of the business are driven, they may well find their business model is a continued but inevitable decline. .
As is well known, they cherry picked the elements they wanted from Southwest's model leaving out the most important part; treating people with respect.
This is precisely why, as detailed eloquently Jody Gittel, despite a lower unit cost for RYR, their productivity was no where close.
Effectively there is nothing new, business that treat employees well, who in turn treat customers well, add far more value to a business that can be input on a spreadsheet.

The chances of Mr O'Leary having a 'Road to Damascus' moment are not good...
The question for the board is when do they begin the hunt for a replacement who gets the real vulnerability of their current structure.
Perhaps it is time to send him to the woodshed?
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 06:30
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To quote Branson (who I must admit isn't perfect):

"Train people well enough so they can leave, treat them well enough so they don't want to."

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Old 20th Aug 2018, 00:37
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RYR strike

You RYR pilots going for strike have the full support of worldwide pilot community!
Stick together and don,t give up till O leary and his management will leave the company!
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 09:56
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Cheques In The Post??

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBMh2KB?m=en-g...rID=InAppShare

No I don't believe it.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 10:52
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I wonder if they will refund the interest they have earned on the monies they never paid out and also the charges some of them have incurred.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 13:02
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Bounced compensation cheques

Believe that the old principle of "all publicity is good publicity" lives on ...

The other principle of: "stall the process", "BS as much as possible", and "gain time", so that they will give up, is also alive and well ...
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 13:26
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Originally Posted by zerograv View Post
Believe that the old principle of "all publicity is good publicity" lives on ...
But in this instance it's working against Ryanair

The subtext of the issue is that despite FR protestations compensation IS payable for cancellations due to strikes. This can only encourage more claims.

EU261 is the elephant in the room, it's the biggest potential cost of any strike action. The longer the dispute drags on, the more pax will realise they can claim. This alone will prevent FR facing down strikes for any length of time.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 17:24
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But in this instance it's working against Ryanair
It's natural that one would think that way ...

In the link provided 4 posts above, one of the persons complaining about the bounced cheque mentions that the bounced cheque cost him 32 Euros (£29) in bank expenses. This will help to create doubt in the people ability to obtain compensation from RYR for their concelled flights. Some will just give up the idea of depositing the cheques provided by RYR, fearing it will end up costing them even more money. Even if it's just a small percentage of people that end up not claiming their compensation, the amount of money saved by RYR will be alot.

Voila ... "bad publicity" produces good results.

Don't ever underestimate the "creative" thinking of MOL and his team ...
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 17:28
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Originally Posted by Sonikt View Post
The subtext of the issue is that despite FR protestations compensation IS payable for cancellations due to strikes. This can only encourage more claims..
The situation in April was that more court cases would most likely ensue from the airlines - particularly as the threat of compensation was considered an unfair advantage to unions in disputes.

See https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8309971.html

Has there been any further court test cases? Did Air France and BA have to subsequently pay out where they had previously not. I can't see Ryanair paying compensation if neither Air France nor BA did.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 17:48
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Originally Posted by ayroplain View Post
The situation in April was that more court cases would most likely ensue from the airlines - particularly as the threat of compensation was considered an unfair advantage to unions in disputes.

See https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8309971.html

Has there been any further court test cases? Did Air France and BA have to subsequently pay out where they had previously not. I can't see Ryanair paying compensation if neither Air France nor BA did.
No there have not been any further court cases - tellingly AF and BA decided not to dispute the very clear legal president that EU261 is payable in case of strike action by airline employees.

Obviously they were smart enough to let sleeping dogs lie
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 17:52
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Originally Posted by zerograv View Post
Even if it's just a small percentage of people that end up not claiming their compensation, the amount of money saved by RYR will be alot.

Don't ever underestimate the "creative" thinking of MOL and his team ...
Ooh I seem to have touched a nerve...must be on the right track!

A business model based on breaking the law is indeed ingenious. Until that law gets enforced, as per CAA action last year.

Good luck Michael, you are going to need it

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