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Why, oh why, are drunks still being allowed to board, cause mayhem and then having to be forcibly removed after injuring crew?
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The system is just not working - whether the flight was delayed is irrelevant, violence on aircraft must not be tolerated.
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Easyjet Fracas
The system is just not working - whether the flight was delayed is irrelevant, violence on aircraft must not be tolerated.
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Not all passengers who are disruptive on board, behave in the same manner on the ground prior to boarding.
More could be done to regulate the sale of alcohol in airside areas, yet there is a conflict of interest here. Alcohol is a significant revenue stream for airport operators and they are rarely the ones who have to manage the anti social behaviour, once it develops.
More could be done to regulate the sale of alcohol in airside areas, yet there is a conflict of interest here. Alcohol is a significant revenue stream for airport operators and they are rarely the ones who have to manage the anti social behaviour, once it develops.
Having travelled a lot as a passenger with various different airlines, this is a problem I have seen with nearly all of them.
Cabin Crew have sales goals, bonus etc. , and keep pumping passengers with alcohol as much as they can. I have NEVER seen any CC say no to sales.
Observing the condition of the passengers, I am fairly confident in case of an emergency there would be complete mayhem and chaos because of the condition of these passengers that CC have been plying with alcohol during the flight.
It will as always in aviation take one major disaster and major loss of lives before aviation will learn, as always lessons are only learned when written in blood and loss of lives.
The tragedy will be that the ones who are not drinking will be the innocent victims of this.
An airport is a port of travel, not an alcohol SUPERMARKET or a NIGHTCLUB.
Cabin Crew have sales goals, bonus etc. , and keep pumping passengers with alcohol as much as they can. I have NEVER seen any CC say no to sales.
Observing the condition of the passengers, I am fairly confident in case of an emergency there would be complete mayhem and chaos because of the condition of these passengers that CC have been plying with alcohol during the flight.
It will as always in aviation take one major disaster and major loss of lives before aviation will learn, as always lessons are only learned when written in blood and loss of lives.
The tragedy will be that the ones who are not drinking will be the innocent victims of this.
An airport is a port of travel, not an alcohol SUPERMARKET or a NIGHTCLUB.
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2unlimited, I take it your're a non-drinker? Don't forget that there is a actually a very large majority of people who drink in sensible moderation. For that reason I would never support a ban on alcohol at airports or on flights. I do however advocate a strict no-fly regulation for any passengers who are obviously plastered and extremely rowdy prior to boarding. There's also the question of how to enforce drinking limits once on board flights when there are many (from Hen or Stag parties) who begin to consume alcohol purchased at the airport Duty Free.
No i am not a non drinker, not at all.
I don’t mind having a drink on a flight either. But I honestly could not care less if there was no alcohol on the flights if this enhanced safety.
For me traveling by air is not an event, I have travelled for business more than 20 years before I got professionally involved in aviation.
The combination of Airport drinking and onboard drinking on some flights can be quite severe. Just a visit to some of
the lounges, £15-£20 drink as much as you like for 3 hours!!!
When I travel I always use lounges and see this very often.
One recent flight I was on I saw multiple couples in their
early 60’s, drinking Vodka/ Gin, until they was clearly seriously influenced, ending with them falling asleep.
I have plenty of experience with alcohol, and my general observation was that sure these people was not causing any drunken issues, not being disruptive, but in case of a potential emergency/ evacuation, they would potentially endanger other passengers life due to their condition.
When you travel with your own children, than these are things that come to your mind.
Just because the passengers are not disruptive, does not mean they can not endanger other people’s lives due to their condition due to drinking alcohol.
I don’t mind having a drink on a flight either. But I honestly could not care less if there was no alcohol on the flights if this enhanced safety.
For me traveling by air is not an event, I have travelled for business more than 20 years before I got professionally involved in aviation.
The combination of Airport drinking and onboard drinking on some flights can be quite severe. Just a visit to some of
the lounges, £15-£20 drink as much as you like for 3 hours!!!
When I travel I always use lounges and see this very often.
One recent flight I was on I saw multiple couples in their
early 60’s, drinking Vodka/ Gin, until they was clearly seriously influenced, ending with them falling asleep.
I have plenty of experience with alcohol, and my general observation was that sure these people was not causing any drunken issues, not being disruptive, but in case of a potential emergency/ evacuation, they would potentially endanger other passengers life due to their condition.
When you travel with your own children, than these are things that come to your mind.
Just because the passengers are not disruptive, does not mean they can not endanger other people’s lives due to their condition due to drinking alcohol.
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There's also the question of how to enforce drinking limits once on board flights when there are many (from Hen or Stag parties) who begin to consume alcohol purchased at the airport Duty Free
One possibility would be to extend the US approach, where duty free purchases are delivered to, and collected from, the jetway. Why not defer collection to the baggage carousel at the destination airport?
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Considering the number of flights daily - this is not a wide spread issue. I have seen US airlines refuse to serve passengers on board (even in first class) if they felt the person has had too much. I have also seen them limit drinks to "singles" when people have ordered more than one serving. Laws are already in place to deal with the few that can't control themselves. There is no need for more regulation - people need to act responsibly.
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2unlimited, I take it your're a non-drinker? Don't forget that there is a actually a very large majority of people who drink in sensible moderation. For that reason I would never support a ban on alcohol at airports or on flights. I do however advocate a strict no-fly regulation for any passengers who are obviously plastered and extremely rowdy prior to boarding. There's also the question of how to enforce drinking limits once on board flights when there are many (from Hen or Stag parties) who begin to consume alcohol purchased at the airport Duty Free.
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NO......... . ..................I'm one of the 60s referred to a few posts above and a few drinks helps one sleep whilst unruly children kick my damn seat!
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Firstly, I hope the cabin crew members involved, especially the one who was attacked are OK. It’s not nice being caught up in one of these incidents.
So how do we stop these incidents from taking place or at least mitigate against some of their effects. Part of the problem is the social acceptability of being drunk and obnoxious. I’ve seen that the criminals who thump cabin crew have at least a short term history of being unpleasant, so we need to know this before they board. Another measure is is to spend more effort training cabin crew so they can avoid these situations. And then we have the punishment side affect the event. We are too lenient. Imprisonment, a very hefty fine and a total ban on flying forever plus compensation might be a reasonable minimum. Only a life changing outcome, matching the effect these events have on those who suffer them is appropriate.
Any other suggestions?
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So how do we stop these incidents from taking place or at least mitigate against some of their effects. Part of the problem is the social acceptability of being drunk and obnoxious. I’ve seen that the criminals who thump cabin crew have at least a short term history of being unpleasant, so we need to know this before they board. Another measure is is to spend more effort training cabin crew so they can avoid these situations. And then we have the punishment side affect the event. We are too lenient. Imprisonment, a very hefty fine and a total ban on flying forever plus compensation might be a reasonable minimum. Only a life changing outcome, matching the effect these events have on those who suffer them is appropriate.
Any other suggestions?
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Yep. A zero-tolerance regarding boarding people who have had alcohol. The rules are in place already, but they are not being enforced by most crew members.
It is very very easy, and fully legal. Deny boarding to anyone who have had alcohol or in any way behave like they had (The latter can be tested with a breathalyser if they behave drunk, but deny being so.The police is generally happy to help with these issues).
Then stop serving more than 1 or 2 units to any given pax onboard.
It is very very easy, and fully legal. Deny boarding to anyone who have had alcohol or in any way behave like they had (The latter can be tested with a breathalyser if they behave drunk, but deny being so.The police is generally happy to help with these issues).
Then stop serving more than 1 or 2 units to any given pax onboard.
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I came back from Alicante on Friday used the lounge there .A Russian party had actually taken a litre of vodka of the drinks cabinet and was drinking it like water the staff just replaced the bottle.With regards to easyjet I have witnessed a number of incidents but as already mentioned the poor cabin staff have to reach targets cabin sells also gatwick does not help with certain bars doing promotions at 630 In the morning.
Yep. A zero-tolerance regarding boarding people who have had alcohol. The rules are in place already, but they are not being enforced by most crew members.
We do have a policy of zero tolerance to disruptive behaviour (possibly due to alcohol), and we will deny boarding to those who are not fit for travel for whatever reason..
The “ban it all” brigade need to get a sense of proportion....I reckon over the last twelve months I’ve been involved in the carriage of at a rough guess well over 10,000 passengers.
On those sectors I think I have been informed of <5 occasions where a single individual has appeared to have had too much to drink, and has been declined further service.....in all those instances the individual quietly complied when they realised they had crossed a line, we had no punch ups, no shouting, no police involvement and ultimately a couple of grovelling apologies to the cabin crew at the end of the sector. Do I think we need a total ban, errr, no.
If certain airlines are outliers in this and are attracting and encouraging bad behaviour then that is for them to sort out by way of company policy.....
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Over the past 20 years I’ve moved close to one million people and I think I’ve had a problem with less than a half a dozen drunk/drugged up people. The cabin crew have had more but they dealt with. I can even remember the name of the last miscreant. I’ve had more problems with luggage issues and those who think it’s OK to stand up during a landing, so as wiggly says, a sense of proportion is required. The most challenging and more frequently occurring for me are medical emergencies, too many of which are own goals.
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In NZ the server must hold a sale of liquor licence and can be fined heavily if they serve alcohol to a drunk person.
Is that not the case in the UK?
Is that not the case in the UK?
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I am not aware of any airline that has this “zero-tolerance regarding people boarding who had had alcohol” - can you explain further?
On those sectors I think I have been informed of <5 occasions where a single individual has appeared to have had too much to drink, and has been declined further service.....in all those instances the individual quietly complied when they realised they had crossed a line, we had no punch ups, no shouting, no police involvement and ultimately a couple of grovelling apologies to the cabin crew at the end of the sector. Do I think we need a total ban, errr, no.
By denying drunk people to board, a lot of the problems will be avoided.
It is not "ban them all brigade" as you call it. It is common sense.
Oh, and because you haven't heard of more than 5 occasions on your flight, doesn't mean they don't happen. It often mean the crew don't bother to tell you, because they know you don't care. - Think about that a bit.
Also, - clearly we think differently here - my concern is more for all other pax onboard, and not the culprits who drink too much. I rather offload the drunk, and let the rest have a nice comfortable flight, than be political correct and show considerations to the wrong people.
did not say any airline has that policy. I said it is legal to deny boarding to anyone who is drunk or intoxicated
i don’t want to get thrown off for starting brawl, but I thought your words were:
“Yep. A zero-tolerance regarding boarding people who have had alcohol. The rules are in place already, but they are not being enforced by most crew members.
It is very very easy, and fully legal. Deny boarding to anyone who have had alcohol or in any way behave like they had ..”
My emphasis, I must admit drew the conclusion from that statement that there was a no alchohol at all tolerance where you worked, hence my question but anyhow thank you for the clarification.
As for "Oh, and because you haven't heard of more than 5 occasions on your flight, doesn't mean they don't happen. It often mean the crew don't bother to tell you, because they know you don't care. - Think about that a bit."
Yes I've thought about it...TBH I'm really not sure how you can make a comment like that unless you have a stereotypical view of all pilots, or you 've worked out exactly who I am, have flown with me, and have for some reason formed that opinion..which one is it?
Anyhow have a good Sunday.
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