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Old 10th Jun 2018, 18:49
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It is not just in Socialist countries that the state or system pays huge part in propping up airlines
The ME three could come form any less Socialist country for a start and the get out of jail free at everyone elses expense card called Chapter 11 in the USA affords companies and often airlines a better deal than vast amiounts of subsidies by being able to walk away from all the bad decisions made and debts built up.
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Originally Posted by act700
I hate to say it but I'm with googlebug on this...single pilot ops is just around the corner, freighters first (that'll be the Beta test).
So as if by magic, it’ll make financial sense to replace super-cheap, old, sometimes tired, airframes, with brand new pilotless ones, to fly low utilisation ops in the dead of night?

The landscape is changing, but numbers are still numbers, and there’s no way it makes sense to go pilotless in the vast majority of freight operations.

The pilot community has been delinquent. It has failed to fly a flag for the good that pilots do every day, to make operations reliable, economical, and timely. It has relied on appallingly outdated unions whose leaders seldom have any connection to reality. As pilots, we’re reaping the rewards of years of poor judgement and socio-economic hysteresis.

(I must mention Sully, who has done a sterling job where so many have failed. If more of us had his foresight and comprehension of the modern world, we might not be so deep down the hole we now occupy).
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I will opine that single pilot ops for any comm air ops has to be viewed in terms of system redundancy. Which in the grand scheme of things means that a single pilot operation must be able to be completed from in-flight catastrophic failure of the human(death, disability), to emergency notification, selection of alternate, change the FMS, enable the change, and execute the descent and landing safely.

What no one has thought to discuss yet, and where I see it going is the ground-slaved mode. Where a single or multiple ground drone pilot(operator?) monitors 10-20-30? single pilot ops from the ground. There is some form of 'heartbeat' checking between the on-board single pilot and the automated ground check station. Should a routine comm fault occur, a retry would happen, and in the event the retry comm failed, the ground/drone operator/pilot would intercede and take control from there, conducting the emer as required and bringing the meatsacks(or cargo initially) to ground safely. The flying public is somewhat conditioned to this already as we know drones operate around the world pilot-less. How this will translate to the majors is a question for the next generation of Gameboy enmeshed goobers.

I think this is the interim of the game, and the drone operator/pilots will be predominantly button-pushing video-game driving scabs. No where near the training(and pay) of a front line pilot.

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Old 11th Jun 2018, 03:40
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Originally Posted by pax britanica
It is not just in Socialist countries that the state or system pays huge part in propping up airlines
The ME three could come form any less Socialist country for a start and the get out of jail free at everyone elses expense card called Chapter 11 in the USA affords companies and often airlines a better deal than vast amiounts of subsidies by being able to walk away from all the bad decisions made and debts built up.
If the ME carriers are backed and subsidized by the government, than that is not a capitalist business model.

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Old 11th Jun 2018, 08:14
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Iv heard the issue right now with ground slaved systems is the availability of secured bandwidth. But who knows it may be cost effective in the future to send up your own secure sat com system.
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Iv heard the issue right now with ground slaved systems is the availability of secured bandwidth. But who knows it may be cost effective in the future to send up your own secure sat com system.
SpaceX are looking into it, global very high bandwidth internet.

If anyone thinks AI and neural networks will be the answer in the future, can someone please explain how they think a system that is learning and adapting continuously will meet the regulatory requirement for certification? Every new scenario effectively modifies the software. Not exactly certifiable. With these systems the law of unintended consequences comes into play even for mature systems (skynet anyone? )

Can see single pilot ops though at some stage, or reduction to two pilots for augmented crew operations in the future, even perhaps no one in either seat for the cruise. Will take a significant step forward to move to single pilot ops due to the human factor. Group decision making and initiative cannot be replicated for a start. And I'd like to see an automated system respond to the literally billions of combinations of certified responses to multiple unrelated emergencies, similar to the ua232 crash years ago and the quantas a380 emergency. Unless you are content to accept that all passengers can be written off in such an event. I really don't think fare going passengers will be happy for this additional risk on the basis of a 5% cut in fare for a flight.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 08:51
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We see it as that, but accountants and bosses see spreadsheets.
A huge issue with pilotless will be blame. I can’t see Airbus/Boeing wanting to take the rap for every accident. At the moment there’s an easy out. Us.
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