How much is a middle aged Airbus narrowbody worth
At around 15 years old an A320 won't have much useful life left in it for passenger operators and there is no afterlife as a freighter like there is for the B767/757.
Fuel burn will be well above the current sharklet and neo versions, and dispatch reliability heads down hill which isn't acceptable to low cost operators with tight scheduling.
This basically limits options to parting it out or selling it to an airline in the Congo who keep flying it until it crashes into a village at the end of the runway whilst taking off grossly overloaded.
Fuel burn will be well above the current sharklet and neo versions, and dispatch reliability heads down hill which isn't acceptable to low cost operators with tight scheduling.
This basically limits options to parting it out or selling it to an airline in the Congo who keep flying it until it crashes into a village at the end of the runway whilst taking off grossly overloaded.
Not correct, there are now P2F conversion programmes existing for the A320 and A321 aircraft.
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There are always airlines, even in first world markets, interested in leasing older A320s as well. Lease rates go down a lot after the first 8 to 10 years. That said, for the leasing company it is probably more profitable to break it down for parts and sell it off.
And of course there are quite a few differences between the first 737-800 to the current ones. Different engines, although they can be swapped around (7B vs 7BE), more capable avionics and split scimitar winglets, to name just a few. Every aircraft evolves over its production life.
And of course there are quite a few differences between the first 737-800 to the current ones. Different engines, although they can be swapped around (7B vs 7BE), more capable avionics and split scimitar winglets, to name just a few. Every aircraft evolves over its production life.
A 1990 CFM equipped A320 (with fresh C check) may fetch only $6M US on the used market, in that case surely flogging the parts makes a lot more sense, was surprised they were so low priced.
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I'm wondering how the figures work out if you include the cost of dismantling the aircraft for parts, the costs of holding onto the Big Pile of Parts until they're all sold, and the costs of making a lot of separate sales. Does that make much difference?
I believe the first A320 leased by SkyWest for FIFO work in Western Australia was a 1993 build. Obviously the economics made some sense in this case as it was retained when they were taken over by Virgin Australia Regional Airlines in 2013.
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This has been true for some time. Very low interest rates mean that the price difference between leasing an old vs new aircraft isn't as big as it used to be. So once an aircraft is past its first lease, the bean counters at the leasing firm will do the sums to see if better to lease again, or break for spares. Some of the big boys own their own parts/ breaking firms.
Legacy airlines are more likely to own their own aircraft, so the maths for them is a bit different. So you see FSC airlines keeping aircraft longer than LCC. (plus they have their own in house maitenance arms to be kept busy)
Plus spare parts price >> parts sold as original equipment
There was a case where (I think )P&W didn't have a tight contract with a Japanese airline on reselling. The airline purchased extra engines as part of the deal, then as soon as they were delivered nroke them down, sold as spare parts, and made a nice little profit...
Legacy airlines are more likely to own their own aircraft, so the maths for them is a bit different. So you see FSC airlines keeping aircraft longer than LCC. (plus they have their own in house maitenance arms to be kept busy)
Plus spare parts price >> parts sold as original equipment
There was a case where (I think )P&W didn't have a tight contract with a Japanese airline on reselling. The airline purchased extra engines as part of the deal, then as soon as they were delivered nroke them down, sold as spare parts, and made a nice little profit...
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There are many carriers which have made a significant business out of mid-life fleets. Take Jet2 in the UK, which built up a substantial fleet of 15-year old 737-300, 737-800 and 757. Only recently have they moved on to their first new fleet purchase of 737-800 from the manufacturer, but at the same time are still expanding their mid-life fleet further. The new and mid-life aircraft appear to be used turn-and-turn-about on comparable duties, and the dispatch reliability appears similar as well. It would be interesting to see the lease rates and maintenance costs.
Back in the old days, Cathay Pacific used to buy second hand aircraft and overhaul them because engineering in Hong Kong was cheap, they effectively got a new aircraft at a discounted price.
Freight aircraft generally have lower utilisation than passenger ones so ground time can be used for maintenance. Whilst fuel consumption may be higher, the much lower purchase price can offset this and lower flying hours reduces the total fuel bill. A B727 carries roughly the same as an A320 but burns twice as much fuel. When oil prices are low like they have been until quite recently, older aircraft get a stay of execution, once the price heads north again modern replacements make more sense.
For specialist roles such as engine test platforms and fire bombing, where utilisation is very low, an obsolete aircraft such as a B747SP or DC10 costing a few hundred thousand dollars is ideal as the higher fuel burn over the few hours it spends airborne is insignificant compared to the millions that would be tied up in a new model.
Freight aircraft generally have lower utilisation than passenger ones so ground time can be used for maintenance. Whilst fuel consumption may be higher, the much lower purchase price can offset this and lower flying hours reduces the total fuel bill. A B727 carries roughly the same as an A320 but burns twice as much fuel. When oil prices are low like they have been until quite recently, older aircraft get a stay of execution, once the price heads north again modern replacements make more sense.
For specialist roles such as engine test platforms and fire bombing, where utilisation is very low, an obsolete aircraft such as a B747SP or DC10 costing a few hundred thousand dollars is ideal as the higher fuel burn over the few hours it spends airborne is insignificant compared to the millions that would be tied up in a new model.
For specialist roles such as engine test platforms and fire bombing, where utilisation is very low, an obsolete aircraft such as a B747SP or DC10 costing a few hundred thousand dollars is ideal as the higher fuel burn over the few hours it spends airborne is insignificant compared to the millions that would be tied up in a new model.
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Not Airbus, but haven't Delta been buying older MDs for quite a few years now, then breaking them up themselves to provide 'cheaper' spares for their own, flying fleet ?
short flights long nights
A better question would be... what is a second hand A380 is worth!!
Can we delete the above time wasting person from the forum now mods?
No one is forced to read anything.
Not massively important I'd have said - most coming up lease end, the lessors will have done its money by the 12Y check.
Perfect Hajj airplane in its max config and I'd say a good ship for certain high yield, high volume routes (say LHR-North America, Middle East, Far East).
I'd say what EK have done though with their 100+ is pretty remarkable up against the economics. Just about profitable, but they have got several advantages over the market.
Perfect Hajj airplane in its max config and I'd say a good ship for certain high yield, high volume routes (say LHR-North America, Middle East, Far East).
I'd say what EK have done though with their 100+ is pretty remarkable up against the economics. Just about profitable, but they have got several advantages over the market.
Wet lease specialist, Hi Fly have announced that they will be operating two second hand A380s. It could be a good move as it’s a lot of aircraft for the money with values being depressed as no one else wants them. Whilst many airlines couldn’t justify full time use of an A380, it could fit in nicely for a few months of peak season work, and as peak times vary around the world it could be in continuous demand.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/n...sing-delivery/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/n...sing-delivery/
