KLM Pilot jailed in Norway for alcohol intake on night stop
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. Jailed pending a trial is pretty harsh. Of course I can't speak for Norway, but it's usually reserved for suspects that pose a flight risk (Not that kind of flight. The fleeing kind.)
Not sure the above is draconian, he did not get caned or stoned, just got caught with his pants down.
(Note to self: Don’t drink and drive/fly in Norway. If you do, don’t get caught)
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Well all I could find. It was taken from a Norway government site but with the rider that it is for information only translation and the legal document is the original Act in local lingo.
Aviation Act 2012.
Aviation Act 2012.
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Anybody who believes that 0.02% is some strict Norwegian rule might be in for a surprise. 0.02% or 20mg/100ml is a EASA regulation. It is also the driving limit in several European countries, not just Norway.
If Heathrow Harry thinks that these laws are because of social issues within the country of Norway, he has clearly lost it. UK is probably the Western European country with most social issues.
If Heathrow Harry thinks that these laws are because of social issues within the country of Norway, he has clearly lost it. UK is probably the Western European country with most social issues.
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Anybody who believes that 0.02% is some strict Norwegian rule might be in for a surprise. 0.02% or 20mg/100ml is a EASA regulation. It is also the driving limit in several European countries, not just Norway.
If Heathrow Harry thinks that these laws are because of social issues within the country of Norway, he has clearly lost it. UK is probably the Western European country with most social issues.
If Heathrow Harry thinks that these laws are because of social issues within the country of Norway, he has clearly lost it. UK is probably the Western European country with most social issues.
It's not me that thinks they have a social problem with drinking - ask any Norwegian or Google it - as one recent study said "it's not that we in Norway drink a lot more than other countries - it's the way we drink that causes a lot of problems..." Hence the Vinmonopolet monopoly, the restriction on hours, what you can buy in grocery store...............
It's not as tough as it was 40 years ago but they still think they have a problem see
https://www.lundbeck.com/upload/no/f...2013_FINAL.pdf
So it seems Norway has a legal limit of 0.02% and from the above an 8 hour limit for drinking before duty. If that is the case, can anyone explain why they are arresting pilots? We have the ability to measure for 0.02% at the airport. If they dont, why not? If they do and it is over 0.02% then fair enough. On that basis, Norway seems like most other countries. Bar staff telling tales is irrelevant - you simply test.
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It's not as tough as it was 40 years ago but they still think they have a problem see
De aller fleste nordmenn konsumerer alkohol på en ikke-skadelig måte, men for noen er alkohol et problem.
Based on the above it looks like most any other country.
The WHO concludes that Norway is Nr. 65 on a list alcohol consumption.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ion_per_capita
Anybody who believes that 0.02% is some strict Norwegian rule might be in for a surprise. 0.02% or 20mg/100ml is a EASA regulation. It is also the driving limit in several European countries, not just Norway.
If Heathrow Harry thinks that these laws are because of social issues within the country of Norway, he has clearly lost it. UK is probably the Western European country with most social issues.
If Heathrow Harry thinks that these laws are because of social issues within the country of Norway, he has clearly lost it. UK is probably the Western European country with most social issues.
Probably the reason why 0.02 is the effective legislative level for "zero" (and certainly the reason in Australia, for aviation and and many other occupations) is that 0.02 is the minimum that can be tested by the common screening tests, anything lower requires quite difficult hospital based testing, which would be completely impractical in the field.
Norway's practices seem rather harsh to me. I wonder what the perceived need is, compared to the fairly common limit of 0.02.
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0.02 is the limit in Europe. I have been tested in Norway, Sweden and Holland.
You fail the test, you will be asked to rinse your mouth and test again. Fail again, you go to the office for a blood sample.
You will not be over the limit if you drink two pints 8 hours before duty. It takes more than that.
This is turning into a Norway bashing exercise. Are you saying if you get tested in the UK and the initial result is 0.04, they will pat you on your shoulder and send you on your way?
Nope, they will do the same as in this case.
The test results will be out soon.
You fail the test, you will be asked to rinse your mouth and test again. Fail again, you go to the office for a blood sample.
You will not be over the limit if you drink two pints 8 hours before duty. It takes more than that.
This is turning into a Norway bashing exercise. Are you saying if you get tested in the UK and the initial result is 0.04, they will pat you on your shoulder and send you on your way?
Nope, they will do the same as in this case.
The test results will be out soon.
According to our company info the rule in the Norway is that you have to be at the 0.02 limit 8 hours before your duty starts which is a rather
different regulation to the other countries.
different regulation to the other countries.
Their country, their rules. Have a problem with that, stay clear. If you can't get by without consuming alcohol 8 hours before duty, it is perhaps worth considering your choice of occupation.
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This is turning into a Norway bashing exercise. Are you saying if you get tested in the UK and the initial result is 0.04, they will pat you on your shoulder and send you on your way?
Nope, they will do the same as in this case.
Nope, they will do the same as in this case.
According to our company info the rule in the Norway is that you have to be at the 0.02 limit 8 hours before your duty starts which is a rather different regulation to the other countries.
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According to our company info the rule in the Norway is that you have to be at the 0.02 limit 8 hours before your duty starts which is a rather different regulation to the other countries.
That puts a different slant on it. Matesmann, care to comment?
That puts a different slant on it. Matesmann, care to comment?
The LAW, as in "Lov om luftfart", translation: The Aviation Law §6-11 and 6-12 outlines the limits in Norway. It includes ban on medications that adversely affect you as well as fatigue/unfit to fly.
The limits regarding alcohol in 6-11 are simple, plain and completely void of any interpretation:
You are under the influence when you:
-Have a blood alcohol level of 0.02 or an amount of alcohol in your body that will cause that level, or
-A concentration of alcohol in your exhaled breath of 0.1mg pr liter air.
6-12 goes on to define that you cannot use substances (basically the ones already covered in 6-11) in the 8 hrs before duty. The ban also extends to 6 hrs after duty if you are aware of the possibility of an police investigation regarding the duty performed by the pilot.
The crew chapter of the law (Norwegian)
Drunk driving and drunk flying is punished by (among other things) prison in Norway, because of the damage potential.
The law states: If you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or have broken the rules in 6-12, the punishment IS jail in up to 2 years.
The punishment chapter of the law (Norwegian)
To remand the accused is only common sense, since he must considered a flight risk.
And for all the talk about snitching bar maids and close calls for bodybuilders: The vast majority of the ones that police have stopped based on tips have been WAY over the limit.
I cannot se the incentive to "fight" the rules, they are basically the EASA ones........
To remand the accused is only common sense, since he must considered a flight risk.
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I know I can google and the answer might be buried in these pages anyway, but, can someone just tell me what 0,02, 0,05, 0.08 etc translates to the way I measure things ? You know, glass of white, rum & coke, shandy, etc. Cheers.
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you can't really because it depends very much on your body weight what its gong to do.
Pint of strong lager 5% plus is meant to be 0.08
Pint of 3% bitter 0.05 which is the one unit ie a small glass of wine.
0.2 less than a half pint of 3% beer.
Females it less.
Pint of strong lager 5% plus is meant to be 0.08
Pint of 3% bitter 0.05 which is the one unit ie a small glass of wine.
0.2 less than a half pint of 3% beer.
Females it less.
With the caveat that there is a significant difference between people, you need 2 units for 0.05 and 3-4 for 0.08. A pint of beer is 2 units and a glass of wine 2 to 3 units
but you metabolise alcohol at about a unit an hour
So ignoring the suggestion that you have to be at 0.02 8 hours before coming on duty and the idea that bar staff call the police if you order a pint (I dont believe either), it seems Norway is identical to the UK, Europe and almost everywhere else.
The only difference is that they remand people in custody as opposed to giving bail
but you metabolise alcohol at about a unit an hour
So ignoring the suggestion that you have to be at 0.02 8 hours before coming on duty and the idea that bar staff call the police if you order a pint (I dont believe either), it seems Norway is identical to the UK, Europe and almost everywhere else.
The only difference is that they remand people in custody as opposed to giving bail
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What, a KLM pilot? How about take his passport, put a tracking bracelet on him and have him report each day to the copshop. A bit harsh chucking him in the slammer (unless you have slammers) . He's not even guilty yet.
