KLM Pilot jailed in Norway for alcohol intake on night stop
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There is a great deal of paranoia here, my advice would be to not have a drink within 12 hours of flying and then only drink in moderation......... but that advice is general and not for Norway in particular.
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. Given that that limit in Norway is very low, any report of "drunk pilot" or 'innebriated pilot" is ludicrous.
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I suspect he will be well inside company rules and limits. If I hadn't had a few sectors with the world's strongest FO I wouldn't have known it was so low.
Car limit is 0.02% in Norway , Scotland is 0.05 and England and Wales 0.08%
UK is 0.02% for flying. I believe Norway is lower but don't know how much lower.
Car limit is 0.02% in Norway , Scotland is 0.05 and England and Wales 0.08%
UK is 0.02% for flying. I believe Norway is lower but don't know how much lower.
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Section 6-11 Abuse of medication etc
No person may perform duties on board an aircraft when under the influence of alcohol (not
sober) or other intoxicating or narcotic substance or if they are unfit to perform their duties in
a satisfactory manner as a result of sickness, medication, fatigue or other similar cause. The
prohibition extends to consumption of alcohol within 8 hours prior to the initiation of said
duties. Persons serving on an aircraft may not have a blood alcohol concentration in excess of 0.02 percent. Misjudgement regarding the strength of the alcohol concentration shall not exempt a person from punishment.
A person who has performed duties on an aircraft must not drink alcohol or take any other intoxicating or narcotic substance during the first six hours after such duty, if he understands or ought to understand that a police investigation may be initiated concerning his behaviour on duty. This prohibition shall not apply once the police have allowed a doctor to take blood samples or
have decided that blood samples shall not be taken
.
If there is reason to believe that a person has violated the provisions of the first or second
paragraph, the police may present him for examination by a doctor, who may take blood samples. The relevant ministry will issue further rules concerning medical examinations and all matters related thereto
No person may perform duties on board an aircraft when under the influence of alcohol (not
sober) or other intoxicating or narcotic substance or if they are unfit to perform their duties in
a satisfactory manner as a result of sickness, medication, fatigue or other similar cause. The
prohibition extends to consumption of alcohol within 8 hours prior to the initiation of said
duties. Persons serving on an aircraft may not have a blood alcohol concentration in excess of 0.02 percent. Misjudgement regarding the strength of the alcohol concentration shall not exempt a person from punishment.
A person who has performed duties on an aircraft must not drink alcohol or take any other intoxicating or narcotic substance during the first six hours after such duty, if he understands or ought to understand that a police investigation may be initiated concerning his behaviour on duty. This prohibition shall not apply once the police have allowed a doctor to take blood samples or
have decided that blood samples shall not be taken
.
If there is reason to believe that a person has violated the provisions of the first or second
paragraph, the police may present him for examination by a doctor, who may take blood samples. The relevant ministry will issue further rules concerning medical examinations and all matters related thereto
I suspect he will be well inside company rules and limits. If I hadn't had a few sectors with the world's strongest FO I wouldn't have known it was so low.
Car limit is 0.02% in Norway , Scotland is 0.05 and England and Wales 0.08%
UK is 0.02% for flying. I believe Norway is lower but don't know how much lower.
Car limit is 0.02% in Norway , Scotland is 0.05 and England and Wales 0.08%
UK is 0.02% for flying. I believe Norway is lower but don't know how much lower.
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A person who has performed duties on an aircraft must not drink alcohol or take any other intoxicating or narcotic substance during the first six hours after such duty, if he understands or ought to understand that a police investigation may be initiated concerning his behaviour on duty.
So you've come off a long day, have minimum rest and would like a couple of sherbets to help the transition from On duty to Off duty and then into sleep. This could even be the first day of a block of days off. Are they really saying that your OFF duty time only starts 6 hours after you've signed off? I wonder what other professions in Norway are subject to these draconian measures.
So you've come off a long day, have minimum rest and would like a couple of sherbets to help the transition from On duty to Off duty and then into sleep. This could even be the first day of a block of days off. Are they really saying that your OFF duty time only starts 6 hours after you've signed off? I wonder what other professions in Norway are subject to these draconian measures.
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http://static.conocophillips.com/fil...15-english.pdf
has the same limits AS A PASSENGER for offshore operations.- and in the office as well.......................... you are reported and over 0.02 its disciplinary action wherever you are
The employee will be asked to leave the workplace, course, meeting, etc., and be refused departure to offshore.
His/her manager and the company health service must be informed.
The manager and the HR Department should urgently meet with the employee,where he or she will have the opportunity to explain themselves.
Minutes must be written and signed.
The employee may have an elected union representative or other representative present.
The Company health service may ask to take more samples where applicable.
Company's procedures for disciplinary action mustbe followed, and appropriate disciplinary action will be taken (see Item 9 of the Working Regulations).
If an offshore employee submits a sample showing a blood alcohol level below20/mg/100ml, the employee may report for departure the following day.
The table below describes the procedure depending on the blood alcohol concentration.................
Most companies are the same - of course they have a real drink issue in Norway - not as bad as Russia but still..............
http://static.conocophillips.com/fil...15-english.pdf
has the same limits AS A PASSENGER for offshore operations.- and in the office as well.......................... you are reported and over 0.02 its disciplinary action wherever you are
The employee will be asked to leave the workplace, course, meeting, etc., and be refused departure to offshore.
His/her manager and the company health service must be informed.
The manager and the HR Department should urgently meet with the employee,where he or she will have the opportunity to explain themselves.
Minutes must be written and signed.
The employee may have an elected union representative or other representative present.
The Company health service may ask to take more samples where applicable.
Company's procedures for disciplinary action mustbe followed, and appropriate disciplinary action will be taken (see Item 9 of the Working Regulations).
If an offshore employee submits a sample showing a blood alcohol level below20/mg/100ml, the employee may report for departure the following day.
The table below describes the procedure depending on the blood alcohol concentration.................
Most companies are the same - of course they have a real drink issue in Norway - not as bad as Russia but still..............
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A couple of simple rules to go by when imbibing down-route:
- Never ever drink booze in the hotel in which you are staying.
- If anybody (e.g. bar staff) ask "what's your name and who do you work for?", you should lie and use a false name too, e.g.maybe tell them that you're a porno stud called Dirk Diggler, just do NOT tell them the truth.
And you guys are pilots? How difficult us it to follow rules and regulations? And what's about all this conspiracy theories regarding alcohol blood levels?
If you don' like our beer, our prices, our laws and how we enforce them, please feel free to stay away.
We won't miss you.
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And you guys are pilots? How difficult us it to follow rules and regulations? And what's about all this conspiracy theories regarding alcohol blood levels?
If you don' like our beer, our prices, our laws and how we enforce them, please feel free to stay away.
We won't miss you.
Per
If you don' like our beer, our prices, our laws and how we enforce them, please feel free to stay away.
We won't miss you.
Per
The Norwegian rules look pretty draconian but then they were developed because of social issues within the country
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I was in the North and it was some sort of salad thing with cured fish. Norgie fresh fish is much the same as fresh from the pier in shetland.
I was assured the beer and salad was a local speciality I presume both we're an acquired taste. Osl to be honest I have never eaten apart from breakfast or bought beer. I always take food with me if required and the water from the tap is very good.
I was assured the beer and salad was a local speciality I presume both we're an acquired taste. Osl to be honest I have never eaten apart from breakfast or bought beer. I always take food with me if required and the water from the tap is very good.
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I was in the North and it was some sort of salad thing with cured fish. Norgie fresh fish is much the same as fresh from the pier in shetland.
I was assured the beer and salad was a local speciality I presume both we're an acquired taste. Osl to be honest I have never eaten apart from breakfast or bought beer. I always take food with me if required and the water from the tap is very good.
I was assured the beer and salad was a local speciality I presume both we're an acquired taste. Osl to be honest I have never eaten apart from breakfast or bought beer. I always take food with me if required and the water from the tap is very good.
Never carried food from one country to another, somehow the agriculture departments frown on it and hard to keep it fresh in a warm suitcase, unless of course you enjoy dry biscuits or soggy salads on your night stops?
Bon Appetit.
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We might be getting our Scandinavians mixed up here. Proper rotten fish is a speciality in northern Sweden, along the Baltic coast. Apparently, they bury it in the sand for some considerable time. I'm told reliably that it stinks to high heaven, and is very much an acquired taste.
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We might be getting our Scandinavians mixed up here. Proper rotten fish is a speciality in northern Sweden, along the Baltic coast. Apparently, they bury it in the sand for some considerable time. I'm told reliably that it stinks to high heaven, and is very much an acquired taste.
As for that, all I can say is «what?»
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Just a quick reminder. Zolpidem, sold in America as Ambien is very, very dangerous.
Read Matthew Walker's Why We Sleep for details. They are erm, mind-boggling. The somewhat expensive tome is beyond jaw-dropping.
Tiredness kills more people in road traffic accidents than all the alcohol and drug related accidents put together. The research is based on 30 years of top university studies.
The preoccupation with minute quantities of alcohol, while pilots are burdened with sleep issues, and the chemistry used to counter it, is nothing short of bizarre.
Just to be going on with: https://drugabuse.com/5-scary-effects-of-ambien/
Read Matthew Walker's Why We Sleep for details. They are erm, mind-boggling. The somewhat expensive tome is beyond jaw-dropping.
Tiredness kills more people in road traffic accidents than all the alcohol and drug related accidents put together. The research is based on 30 years of top university studies.
The preoccupation with minute quantities of alcohol, while pilots are burdened with sleep issues, and the chemistry used to counter it, is nothing short of bizarre.
Just to be going on with: https://drugabuse.com/5-scary-effects-of-ambien/
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The preoccupation with minute quantities of alcohol, while pilots are burdened with sleep issues, and the chemistry used to counter it, is nothing short of bizarre.
Jailed pending a trial is pretty harsh. Of course I can't speak for Norway, but it's usually reserved for suspects that pose a flight risk (Not that kind of flight. The fleeing kind.)
In my part of the world, it's done for some dumb redneck driver who is likely just going to jump back in his car after booking at the police station. But an administrative order of some sort to hand over one's pilots license and a word to the employer should pretty much keep one grounded. I would hope.
In my part of the world, it's done for some dumb redneck driver who is likely just going to jump back in his car after booking at the police station. But an administrative order of some sort to hand over one's pilots license and a word to the employer should pretty much keep one grounded. I would hope.