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no nosegear landing of A330 at Jeddah

Old 21st May 2018, 21:24
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no nosegear landing of A330 at Jeddah

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Old 22nd May 2018, 10:23
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Interesting decision doing slide evac in abnormal attitude like that. Be great to hear more/reasons. And who ordered it...
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Old 22nd May 2018, 13:50
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Why an interesting decision? The slides on the A330 can be used in any unusual configuration.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 14:08
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Why use slides with almost certain chance of injury for no reason?
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Old 22nd May 2018, 14:27
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Why use slides with almost certain chance of injury for no reason?
Were you there when the event occurred? There may at the time have been good reason to make that decision.

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Old 22nd May 2018, 15:00
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Why use slides with almost certain chance of injury for no reason?
So how many people were injured during the evacuation then ?
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Old 22nd May 2018, 15:43
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So how many people were injured during the evacuation then ?
Reportedly around 140 passengers on board, so there would typically be a few minor injuries during a full-scale evacuation of that many pax.

FlightGlobal reports no serious injuries:

"An Onur Air Airbus A330-200 (TC-OCH), operating on behalf of Saudia on May 21, 2018, developed a problem sometime after take-off from Madinah, Saudi Arabia on a flight to Dhaka, Bangladesh and the pilot elected to divert to Jeddah. On arrival at Jeddah, when the undercarriage was selected down, the nose undercarriage apparently did not extend. Further attempts to get the undercarriage down were not successful and the aircraft eventually landed at Jeddah with the nose undercarriage retracted. There were no reported serious injuries to passengers or crew. The accident happened in darkness (2149L) but in VMC."
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Old 22nd May 2018, 16:58
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Interesting decision doing slide evac in abnormal attitude like that. Be great to hear more/reasons. And who ordered it...
Possible fire threat ??

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Old 22nd May 2018, 17:25
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So how many people were injured during the evacuation then ?
History dictates that there are almost always injuries incurred during evacuation with slide evacuations. Perhaps you or your airline havenít studied history. The sparks that might excite the media come from the nose gear doors or front fuselage contacting the runway. You might see similar sparks at a Formula1 racetrack. They do not constitute evidence of fire validating an evacuation. Your airline policy may differ, and I wasnít there.

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Old 22nd May 2018, 17:37
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I would assume that if the nose was scraping then there would be sparks and possibly fire. If there was a burning smell in the cockpit then I can see that the crew might prefer to get everyone off quickly.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 18:02
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Let's face it, here on PPRuNe, this was a no win situation.

If Slides were deployed: Why were the slides deployed, innocent passengers may be injured unnecessarily?
If Slides weren't deployed: Why weren't the slides deployed, there could have been unknown damage / fire that could lead to more problems requiring an emergency evac.

Just saying!

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Old 22nd May 2018, 18:05
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Article says the flight "developed a problem" and only on landing was the gear issue apparent.

So without knowing what the "problem" was that caused the diversion, it is quite out of line to question whether an evac was necessary or not...
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Old 22nd May 2018, 20:56
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Should those rearmost slides be even used in such a tail high situation? And I agree with the poster suggesting an evacuation is questionable in these circumstances; my initial response would be tell everyone to remain in their seats and stand by for further instructions, then have an ALL CALL with the trolley dolleys and ATC, fire department etc to ascertain what else is going on. However, the cabin crew at least at my airline are instructed to initiate an evac if no cockpit response etc. Tricky
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Old 22nd May 2018, 23:48
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Monday morning quaterbacking I see! As I already said there is NO restriction on using the slides in an unusual attitude, you do not fly the A330 do you?
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Do you really expect passengers to remain seated for the hour or so that it would take to get steps out to THAT runway?
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History dictates that there are almost always injuries incurred during evacuation with slide evacuations. Perhaps you or your airline havenít studied history. The sparks that might excite the media come from the nose gear doors or front fuselage contacting the runway. You might see similar sparks at a Formula1 racetrack. They do not constitute evidence of fire validating an evacuation. Your airline policy may differ, and I wasnít there.

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I was just asking as when someone says that there are 'almost certain injuries' and the published numbers say otherwise that's all ...... history is no guarantee of future events.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 07:25
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I'm not sure what I would have done in this situation. It's tricky indeed. We just practiced in the sim, and if the ATC or the cabin crew reported fire or burning smell then we were expected to order emergency evacuation. Better to have a couple of people with very minor injuries during evacuation than people burning alive isn't it?
if the airplane had exploded for any reasons, everyone would have pointed fingers at the captain for not having ordered the emergency evacuation.

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Old 23rd May 2018, 07:31
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Originally Posted by GrahamO View Post
I was just asking as when someone says that there are 'almost certain injuries' and the published numbers say otherwise that's all
What "published numbers"? Where?

All I've seen is the report (in Flight) that there were no serious injuries. But then that's true of most evacuations. It's equally true that a slide evacuation of a wide-body load of passengers will result in some sprains/scrapes/bumps/abrasions on about 90% of occasions.

So "almost certain injuries" (albeit probably minor) would be a perfectly reasonable statement.

Evaluation of Aircraft Slide Evacuation Injuries
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Old 23rd May 2018, 07:46
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As pilot action is prominently by SOP's right now, rational thinking became a thing of the past.
As the emergency evacuation is a mandatory item in almost every sim check, it almost becomes a natural thing to call for it during an emergency on ground.
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Let's not forget that there are unhappy folk memories in Saudi Arabia of passengers stuck in burning aircraft. The instinct to get passengers off quickly, when things could go wrong quickly, may still be strong.
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