no nosegear landing of A330 at Jeddah
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An evacuation would be the expected course of action in that situation. And informing the cabin crew that the rear doors should not be used would also be a normal call. I’ve been doing this job for a very long time now and I would not hesitate to evacuate. Plus, it’s really hard to taxi to the gate without a nose gear. ��
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I’m not second guessing, I’m telling you how I would do it on my aircraft, using my airline’s procedures. The flight deck has the responsibility to coordinate a planned emergency landing with the cabin. Part f that briefing would include which e it’s may be compromised.
An unplanned emergency relies on the cabin crew crew to assess the situation outside each exit.
An unplanned emergency relies on the cabin crew crew to assess the situation outside each exit.
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Telling the cabin crews which exits to use is non standard on Airbus at least. It used to be like this few years ago but not the case anymore. Sure informing them that the aircraft would be in an unusual attitude is a good call but the flight crew should not decide which side or doors to use for emergency evacuation since they have no clue if the situation at each exit is safe or not. The call out by Airbus from the PIC on the PA is: ''Passengers! Evacuate!'' Nothing more.
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An evacuation would be the expected course of action in that situation. And informing the cabin crew that the rear doors should not be used would also be a normal call. I’ve been doing this job for a very long time now and I would not hesitate to evacuate. Plus, it’s really hard to taxi to the gate without a nose gear. ��
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Just wondering with all the "advanced knowledge" being shown here, how you would propose to get the pax off with only the forward and over wing exits available,as the tail is erect and the deck angle about 30 degrees! stairs are no use in this scenario as they won't dock without huge height differences on the steps. Anytime the safety of the aircraft is in doubt order an evacuation..seems to come to mind. And Jeddah...well enough said..
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Ahh Penko, You beat me to it!
But NO!
All pax to the rear would tip it on its ass!
Consider all slides can be used on this AC : Use all. unless fire.
The Gimli Glider , a 767 , they started evac, but promply stopped when the second pax hit the first one in the head . Slide was vertical as I recall.
Any argument that I could do this better is overruled by the fact that it ended with no serious injury!
I also think that no evac is no option as most pax are voting with their feet after the big light show and the unusual attitude and smell that for sure entered the aircraft !
You all be careful when exiting Your armchair now.
Remember most accident happen in the home! ( In the triangle between the Armchair , the Fridge and the downstairs toilet!)
To the rest of you
Happy Landings
But NO!
All pax to the rear would tip it on its ass!
Consider all slides can be used on this AC : Use all. unless fire.
The Gimli Glider , a 767 , they started evac, but promply stopped when the second pax hit the first one in the head . Slide was vertical as I recall.
Any argument that I could do this better is overruled by the fact that it ended with no serious injury!
I also think that no evac is no option as most pax are voting with their feet after the big light show and the unusual attitude and smell that for sure entered the aircraft !
You all be careful when exiting Your armchair now.
Remember most accident happen in the home! ( In the triangle between the Armchair , the Fridge and the downstairs toilet!)
To the rest of you
Happy Landings
The A332's wheelbase is a little under 73 feet. In order to produce a 30° deck angle while resting on the mains, the nose would need to drop by about 42 feet.
That sounds a tad unlikely.
Most airlines train the crew that while "special instructions" might be received as to which doors MAY be unsuitable, you use all available and safe. This includes in unusual attitudes but a caution is given to assess slide angle and may be steep/unusable and if so redirect pax. A380 has slide extension at doors 1 main deck to bridge the distance to ground in a nose up/tail down attitude.
at the end of the day the CC is standing at the door, not the pilot. Although in a potential fire situation I'd be more concerned with wind direction than attitude of the aircraft.
at the end of the day the CC is standing at the door, not the pilot. Although in a potential fire situation I'd be more concerned with wind direction than attitude of the aircraft.
The Delta 330 Evac in Lagos resulted in 5 serious injuries. If you put people in the slides on a widebody people are going to be hurt and you may even have a fatality. That is why the decision has to be carefully made.
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How many fatalities have been solely attributed to evacuations ?
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Tragic reading indeed.
So is the AirCanada DC9 toilet fire and so many delayed Evac.
What if the " bomb" went off when he waited for stairs??
On the last one what if there was a fire? ( Mighty odd one that one by the way!!)
A good start is : Stop into the wind ON rwy!
Evaluate!!
As did our A330 friend. ( For obvious reasons)
A non-obvious Evac is a tricky one , as a lot of uneducated and half educated people will pitch in.
( Some airlines I know of regularly fly with Pursers with less then 2 years total experience, and then there is the fire fighters that drive over pax!!)
So when the day comes, lets hope we have done it by the book AND used airmanship, and that we have a good reason for the final call:
"Evacuate using all available exits"
Trying my very best not to make that call, if its up to me.
I suppose we all do, after all the ultimate goal of the exercise is to stay off CNN and out-off HQ with their old biscuits and tea.
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Tragic reading indeed.
So is the AirCanada DC9 toilet fire and so many delayed Evac.
What if the " bomb" went off when he waited for stairs??
On the last one what if there was a fire? ( Mighty odd one that one by the way!!)
A good start is : Stop into the wind ON rwy!
Evaluate!!
As did our A330 friend. ( For obvious reasons)
A non-obvious Evac is a tricky one , as a lot of uneducated and half educated people will pitch in.
( Some airlines I know of regularly fly with Pursers with less then 2 years total experience, and then there is the fire fighters that drive over pax!!)
So when the day comes, lets hope we have done it by the book AND used airmanship, and that we have a good reason for the final call:
"Evacuate using all available exits"
Trying my very best not to make that call, if its up to me.
I suppose we all do, after all the ultimate goal of the exercise is to stay off CNN and out-off HQ with their old biscuits and tea.
Safe Deboarding to All
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Interesting points, glad it turned out ok.
While on the subject did anyone ever hear any feedback from the Singapore Airlines 777 that did not evacuate even though engulfed in flames. While they were lucky and had no injuries, it was also a pretty controversial decision at the time.
While on the subject did anyone ever hear any feedback from the Singapore Airlines 777 that did not evacuate even though engulfed in flames. While they were lucky and had no injuries, it was also a pretty controversial decision at the time.
