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End of the road for Iran aviation imports

Old 10th May 2018, 15:17
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
most people beleive Trump's biggest issue with the deal is that it was signed by Obama -
the biggest issue with the deal is that it is a one side deal, where one side does not care at all about the deal and continues to do what it promised it would stop doing. What is the point of that “deal”? Those types of deals work only with civilized countries and Iran is not one of those...
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Originally Posted by AAGpilot
Hard to believe that America doesn’t want to send hundreds of millions to a country that chants, “death to America” as they pursue nuclear weapon capabilities.The Apologist isn’t in charge anymore.

https://youtu.be/E39bZl_mNAc
precisely. Limp-d@cked soyboys are not in charge anymore.
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Old 10th May 2018, 15:20
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Seems that American foreign policy is now set and controlled by Israel. For such a small country they seem to wield a great deal of power and influence over America.
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they control the money....the zionists bankers created the central banks in the most influential countries in the west, and their master piece was the US federal reserve, after that , it was done. No body will ever become president of the US unless he or she bows to them. It’s rotten.....congress and all that. And even worse, any US administration also needs to accomodate the Saudi thugs..and we all know that Iran is public enemy no 1 to both Israel and Saudi Arabia.
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Old 10th May 2018, 15:30
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Originally Posted by VinRouge
What's to say that the Europeans can't continue to trade with Iran and ignore Trumps populist brain fart?
The USA will just extend sanctions to countries that continue to do business with Iran. And then it becomes a poo-flinging contest. Who can less afford to do without the other's business. Ten years ago, US and world financial systems were so intertwined that such sanctions would have crippled both sides. But since then, the US has implemented FATCA (Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act) which has had the effect of other countries sending US banking and finance business back here (or risk some pretty invasive audits by US authorities). So now, disengagement is much more probable. It would hurt American companies dependent on EU products (US airlines who need Airbus spare parts). But with Trump, the phrase "cutting off one's nose to spite the face" comes to mind.

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I think you have to accept that every US politician will listen to the Israeli lobby -it's simple politics and not some bizarre CONSPIRACY
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Old 10th May 2018, 21:14
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I would add that America does not want to "send hundreds of millions to Iran", it is reparation of BILLIONS of Iranian funds illegally seized by America.
Actually it is the good faith repayment (with interest) of a $400 million dollar deposit made by the Shah's government (remember him?) towards US military hardware.

That hardware was never delivered thanks to the Iranian Revolution and the Hostage crisis.
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Old 10th May 2018, 21:53
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Originally Posted by oleary
And you cannot use the words "good faith" in the same sentence as "America".

Just ask Gaddafi, or Hussein or pretty much anyone else in the world.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-...war-ii/5492051

During your graveside meeting with Gaddafi, ask him what he thinks of Canada’s efforts that aided in ousting him.
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Iran's nuclear facilities have been inspected to death by the IAEA and other agencies. Iran has been judged to be in COMPLETE compliance since the signing. Even Mossad agrees FFS.
Perhaps you should read the actual "agreement" -- it is available online. No inspections at Iran's military installations. 24 days notice at the known nuclear sites.

Some compliance!
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Old 10th May 2018, 22:18
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Originally Posted by Gilles Hudicourt
Perhaps its time for non US manufacturers to remove US components from their products......

Right...and alienate the US market, one far larger than the Iranian one. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that removing US content wouldn’t ripple through airline boardrooms in the US. Having an international composition pays dividends beyond the occasional setback.
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
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I am no -ones spokesman but reflecting the objective truth that a lot of people in the USA and just about every other world leader , opinion maker and sentient being thinks the President has made a major mistake

When yr only supporters are Netanyahu and the Saudis yr in a lonely place...............
That’s a rather broad assumption.
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Then why does every nuclear inspection agency in the WORLD agree that Iran is in compliance?
Of course they are in compliance —with an inspection plan that requires 24 days notice, and does not allow iinspectors into military sites. Read the agreement.
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If using US sourced components in aircraft leaves foreign manufacturers vulnerable to restrictions on who they can sell to, they may consider looking elsewhere. The alternatives may be more expensive or not as good but at least a deal could go through.

Sanctions like this can often have the effect of making alternatives, which wouldn’t otherwise have been viable, a realistic proposition. South Africa developed a sophisticated domestic armaments industry and even went onto become an exporter because of trade restrictions.

If the French, Chinese and Russians got together, within a few years American parts might not be needed at all.
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If using US sourced components in aircraft leaves foreign manufacturers vulnerable to restrictions on who they can sell to, they may consider looking elsewhere. The alternatives may be more expensive or not as good but at least a deal could go through.

Sanctions like this can often have the effect of making alternatives, which wouldn’t otherwise have been viable, a realistic proposition. South Africa developed a sophisticated domestic armaments industry and even went onto become an exporter because of trade restrictions.

If the French, Chinese and Russians got together, within a few years American parts might not be needed at all.
Sure, go for it. It’ll be the same when the Chinese and the Russians exercise their right to nix a sale due to their content being in the aircraft.
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Sanctions like this can often have the effect of making alternatives, which wouldn’t otherwise have been viable, a realistic proposition
History has proven this bit to be true, but regarding commercial aviation...
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If using US sourced components in aircraft leaves foreign manufacturers vulnerable to restrictions on who they can sell to, they may consider looking elsewhere...
...If the French, Chinese and Russians got together, within a few years American parts might not be needed at all.

France (and Germany) are part of agreement regimes regarding technology exports in aerospace which includes commercial aircraft. Aside from that inconvenience, avionics and propulsion tech nearly always involves UK or US expertise. Although...

The Russians (and the Chinese) are building commercial transports and the world is free to buy them, but I don't hear much about who's standing on the queue at the moment.
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Old 11th May 2018, 01:52
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I'm sure any collaboration would take this into account, the Chinese are quite happy to deal with anyone if it suits their interests especially in Africa. The Russians are quite similar.
Years ago sophisticated components could only be produced by a handful of countries, these days there are many more alternatives. The USA is less important than it was 40 years ago and can't expect to dictate to the rest of the world.

Britain was a world power in the 19th century but is considerably less important today.
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Old 11th May 2018, 02:03
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I dont doubt that OEMs and vendors could be sourced from other than US sources. That’s been the situation for awhile. If there was an appetite to do so, it would have already happened. You can can continue to dream about this, but we both know it won’t happen.

Your naive to think that the Chinese, Russian, or whomever else who had the authority to stop a sale wouldn’t step in from time to time. Let me know how helpful the Chinese would be with an aerospace sale to Taiwan with technology that might have a dual military/civil application.
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Old 11th May 2018, 02:11
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Originally Posted by oleary
Can we assume America and Israel will be opening their nuke sites for "inspection" too.
Was that part of the agreement? No is the answer.

Of course you knew that ready.


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Compare the Korean cars of the 1980s with those made today.
There is a learning curve, but I highly doubt the world's major airlines nor their customers care to operate or take a ride on anything that sits upon such a curve.

If countries start buying Russian and Chinese aircraft in significant numbers because they have no alternative, this could be the catalyst that kicks off their aerospace industries.
That's true enough. Perhaps they could follow the Airbus model and practically give the early copies away, although they would need to have a quality bit of kit to peddle in the first place.

West Coast makes a good point regarding Russia and China. Witness their continued vetoes on the UN Security Council when matters far more grave than the sale of commercial transports were under consideration.

I agree, being worthy of trust in any bilateral or multilateral enterprise an issue, something the UK, EU and the US have in spades, although the current US president appears to be doing his best to erode some of that trust that has been steadily built up over decades.
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Old 11th May 2018, 02:41
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Utter nonsense.

Iran's nuclear facilities have been inspected to death by the IAEA and other agencies. Iran has been judged to be in COMPLETE compliance since the signing. Even Mossad agrees FFS.

It is AMERICA who has not lived up to its side of the agreement!
Just what PPRuNe needs, yet another America hater who hasn't done their homework.
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Old 11th May 2018, 05:17
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interesting theory I just heard on TV this morning ; all this recent activity against Iran , incl. the missile strikes on Iran troops in Syria is a coordinated plan to get rid of Iran influence in the Mid East region .,Trump's electoral promise, the "secret nuclear old plan" leaks, the visit on Netanyahu to Moscow a few days ago , the official support f the Arab States for Israel actions ( to defend the Golan, an occupy territory according to them !) ,The US sanctions are just part of the plan .It would appear the Europeans are openly against it because they fear for they business deals with Tehran, ( including aviation ) but they secretly support the plan. So basically a big order for Airbus from some Arab States to compensate for Iran airlines lost deals would solve the issue .. A theory remember..
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