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Old 9th May 2018, 22:46
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I guess that means Airbus will consider USA content to be as trustworthy as our treaties.
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Old 10th May 2018, 00:20
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Originally Posted by jack11111
I guess that means Airbus will consider USA content to be as trustworthy as our treaties.
The Iran deal was never a treaty, it was never submitted to Congress. It was done by executive agreement.

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I look forward to the day when America is no longer beholden to the Israel Lobby, ... because that is what this all about.


Consistent American policy is that only one country in the Middle East is allowed to have a secret, uninspected nuclear weapons program and it is not Iran.
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Old 10th May 2018, 01:48
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AirBubba wrote: "The Iran deal was never a treaty, it was never submitted to Congress. It was done by executive agreement."

Right you are...I stand corrected.
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Old 10th May 2018, 02:48
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Looks kinda like ALPA's usual response to the company's opener :

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Originally Posted by Airbubba
Looks kinda like ALPA's usual response to the company's opener :

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/sta...32722108026885
These well grounded intellectuals are obviously people that pose no threat to peace.
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Old 10th May 2018, 04:29
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Seems that American foreign policy is now set and controlled by Israel. For such a small country they seem to wield a great deal of power and influence over America.
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Seems that American foreign policy is now set and controlled by Israel.
"Now"? It's been that way for decades; what I don't understand is 'why'. That entire tiny country could be vaporized tomorrow and nobody here would be affected in the least, nor care. But yet our politicians in the USA obey like lapdogs. I don't get it.
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Old 10th May 2018, 08:21
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Originally Posted by KenV
"Most people?" Who are these mythical "most people" and who made you their spokesperson?
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I am no -ones spokesman but reflecting the objective truth that a lot of people in the USA and just about every other world leader , opinion maker and sentient being thinks the President has made a major mistake

When yr only supporters are Netanyahu and the Saudis yr in a lonely place...............
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Old 10th May 2018, 08:25
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Originally Posted by core_dump
"Now"? It's been that way for decades; what I don't understand is 'why'. That entire tiny country could be vaporized tomorrow and nobody here would be affected in the least, nor care. But yet our politicians in the USA obey like lapdogs. I don't get it.
In this case it's because Israel obtained the secret documents from Teheran - and were able to tell the US that the secret documents proved that the Iranians were really really nasty people, and as luck would have it, just in the nick of time for The Donald to have a completely concrete reason to scupper his predecessor's terrible deal. Israel has done a great job in keeping the secret documents so secret that I haven't seen any reports of what's actually in them. I presume that's so that none of Iran's neighbours have to wonder whether 45 minutes (randomly chosen, just for example) warning of any ooh er definitely real big bang objects referred to in the secret documents might be worth having really?
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Old 10th May 2018, 08:31
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Originally Posted by jack11111
I guess that means Airbus will consider USA content to be as trustworthy as our treaties.
This should be a good incentive for European aircraft manufacturers to develop European-made components of all types, so that an Airbus has nothing American in it. This is already in progress, for example receivers for US GPS will soon be unnecessary; Galileo will soon be available world-wide for all European users. Engines are a bit of a problem, most narrowbody jet aircraft are partly or wholly made by Americans (for example IAE and CFM both have American partners involved) - but Rolls-Royce could make narrowbody engines again if they wished, and Safran probably too. The Russians could also supply, too.

Trump's attitude to China is already driving them to develop indigenous high technology industries to make things they currently buy in from the USA because the USA is clearly an unreliable partner. Europe will likely do the same.

The real problem is US "Secondary sanctions". "Primary sanctions" means a US company can't trade with Iran - so Boeing can't sell to an Iranian airline. "Secondary sanctions" mean a US company can't trade with any company that trades with Iran. So American Airlines can't buy an Airbus if Airbus also sells to Iran (even if the Airbus aircraft contains no American parts). Secondary sanctions are the world-wide bullying tactic of the USA, and they have been stopped before - the EU forced the USA to withdraw secondary sanctions over Cuba in 1996. See https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ir...-idUKKBN1IA2PG for a summary.
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Old 10th May 2018, 08:57
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I must be missing something but didn't Donnie campaign promise that he would withdraw if elected. Keeping a promise. I like that. Obama drew a red line & let everyone cross it. Don;t like that much.
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Old 10th May 2018, 09:13
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Boy a lot of people in here trusting Iran!!

what.....

I suppose you think North Korea will never come to the table either!!

they certainly didn’t under Obama and Bush did they fellas.

Trump haters are so predictable.
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Old 10th May 2018, 09:34
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Any ideas of simply renegotiating the hard-won compromises Iran gave us as if it was some sleazy real estate deal of Trumpian standards is pure folly. We've turned our backs on our allies and broken our word and bond and in the process, incensed an abused nation that is the Iranian people.

We may not agree with their government, but it should be remembered that international relations are not won and lost in short-term, one-shot "deals" like down at the used car lot or at some gaudy Trump property management office.

The process is, more often than not, moved forward in steps, some of which are not easy for either side. Academics refer to international treaties and agreements as an iterative process with the eyes on the long term prize. That requires a bit of vision and not that of the myopic kind.
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Old 10th May 2018, 10:08
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I suspect that trumps contribution to North Koreas change of heart was that the Chinese could use him as the Mad man ' in the Mad man theory.

Ie this guy is nits and really might nuke you- as we live next door thats not good for us so sort things out with the yanks or we will sort you out .

Israel is just a votes issue, a powerful lobby in USA in some very key areas, like NY and LA. Squeeze Israel and we will vote for the other guy .

As for keeping promises -Hitler did that to a large degree especially right after he got elected-that worked out really well for Germany didnt it
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Old 10th May 2018, 10:20
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I must be missing something but didn't Donnie campaign promise that he would withdraw if elected. Keeping a promise. I like that
Duarte in the Philippine sis keeping his campaign promises as well.
Making promises during a campaign based on emotions and implementing them against the advice from you own security advisers is never a good thing. Upsetting and not listening to your traditional allies is not a good thing either. Mr Trump has managed to do both in 10 minutes.
Being a successful showman and being President of the most powerful country in the planet ( at the moment) are 2 different things.
If the US stop being a reliable partner (in Aviation or else), China will very nicely fill the void and I think the Europeans are likely to follow the new leader.
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Old 10th May 2018, 10:23
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There is no direct ban for US-made components in aircraft, however there is a threshold on the max value %% of US-made components in total aircraft value. Generally speaking no jet can fit under it, but ATR and Dash8 may get there is thier engines are not US made.
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Old 10th May 2018, 12:47
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Originally Posted by CargoOne
There is no direct ban for US-made components in aircraft, however there is a threshold on the max value %% of US-made components in total aircraft value. Generally speaking no jet can fit under it, but ATR and Dash8 may get there is thier engines are not US made.
I know the engines are made by Pratt & Whitney Canada but isn't the parent company US owned?
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Old 10th May 2018, 13:12
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I don't think Airbus or Boeing declare their prime sales targets as Iran Air.
Not a big deal. Look at their delivery backlogs.
Their sales stars are too busy with Emirates, Lufthansa and Singapore.
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Old 10th May 2018, 13:25
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
To go slightly off topic I wonder if Trump has any idea that he may have made the USA considerably less safe.
...could be shortened to:

I wonder if Trump as any idea
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Old 10th May 2018, 14:35
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Hard to believe that America doesn’t want to send hundreds of millions to a country that chants, “death to America” as they pursue nuclear weapon capabilities.The Apologist isn’t in charge anymore.

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