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Delta Passenger Fined $500 for apple

Old 24th Apr 2018, 05:05
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Originally Posted by Turkpilot View Post
The delta FA handed it to her on the way OUT. So I am sure she asssuend it was ok. Yes sounds like a very HONEST MISTAKE
It's not quite what she said, but I can see that it may have been just an honest mistake anyway.

Tadlock says a Delta flight attendant handed her an apple toward the end of her flight from Paris.
I don't know what that means exactly, but typically they might give you a piece of fruit some time before TOD.
May have been later in this case, but not at the door on the way out. The FA probably had a reasonable expectation that the apple was about to be eaten.
Me? I'd have politely refused the apple if I didn't want it.

Also, before condemning the CBP person for being overly zealous I'd like to hear their side of the story.
I can't help but be suspicious that there is more to this story than the newspaper is telling us.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 07:28
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Given this was presumably a US aircraft (being Delta), where do they load the (sealed in a bag) apples, and what happens if there's a whole load of them left on the aircraft on arrival (or any foodstuffs for that matter)?
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 07:43
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Originally Posted by Laarbruch72 View Post
No, not quite - Certain US laws apply on board US carriers of course (given the state of registration), but certainly nothing from a customs perspective. Otherwise you'd have to do your customs and border formalities before you boarded, would you not? Saying that an aircraft is "territory" of the state of registration is somewhat of an over simplification.
British Airways flight BA0001 from London City to JFK clears US Customs in Shannon. Presumably, a BA flight attendant giving you an apple after the Irish stopover would not be inducing you to commit a crime if you took it off the plane in the "Big Apple".
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 07:43
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Not apples, but liquid. A few years ago I flew into Atlanta. During the flight I helped with a sick passenger and on disembarking the steward gave me a bottle of wine as a thank-you. When I went through customs (I suppose it was) they confiscated the bottle as I was not allowed to import liquid, just as I could not board an aircraft carrying liquid, as we all know. But there was no explanation as to why I could not take my bottle in with me. The only possibility the agent offered was for me to go airside again, find my suitcase, put the bottle in it and then do the whole clearance again.

Can anyone explain that?

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Old 24th Apr 2018, 08:21
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When I went through customs (I suppose it was)....

...... The only possibility the agent offered was for me to go airside again, find my suitcase, put the bottle in it and then do the whole clearance again.

Can anyone explain that?
First question would be: Can you clarify why were you going through customs without your suitcase?

Second question that possibly follows on from that: Were you by any chance connecting from ATL and your hold baggage was checked through onto another service?

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Old 24th Apr 2018, 09:25
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Wiggy: No, I was leaving the flight at ATL.
This was in 2006 so my memory may not be 100%. I recall that the agent gave me the option of putting the bottle in my checked bag. The main point is why I was not allowed to take a bottle into the country.

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Old 24th Apr 2018, 11:30
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It appears you had a connecting flight. Passengers virtually worldwide are not allowed liquids exceeding 3 ounces. The customs area is not secure since you have access to your checked luggage which can legally contain items such as knives, guns, liquids ect..
Leaving customs for the above reasons you are subject to the same rules as if you were entering the airport. You could have placed the bottle in your checked bag and everything would have been fine. If you did not have a connecting flight and exited to the non sterile area you would also have been fine.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 11:37
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Missing in this discussion is the fact that the woman entered the country using global entry. This is a trusted traveler system where you normally skip all checks other than a very infrequent random checks. It works on the honor system and in order to be enrolled the woman had to watch a video and acknowledge she was aware of what is and is not allowed. since It functions on the honor system violations are treated more severely than had she entered customs the normal way. In addition she would have been asked and had to check she did not have any banned items at the kiosk.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 11:47
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No, I was leaving the flight at ATL.
I got that, but what happened next?

Did you walk/take a train/took a bus or car out of the airport? Without your hold baggage??

Or is there a chance you got off the first flight, and got onto another at ATL, but your hold bags were tagged through to final destination, so remained airside??

In that case then as Sailvi has said it is possible the bottle was removed from you because of onwards carriage rules regarding handbaggage, and was not due to a customs ban on the import of liquids into the States.

I've been in and out of the US plenty of times from well before 2006 and have taken liquids in without a problem, declaring stuff as/if appropriate.

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Old 24th Apr 2018, 12:03
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767 View Post
Missing in this discussion is the fact that the woman entered the country using global entry. This is a trusted traveler system where you normally skip all checks other than a very infrequent random checks. It works on the honor system and in order to be enrolled the woman had to watch a video and acknowledge she was aware of what is and is not allowed. since It functions on the honor system violations are treated more severely than had she entered customs the normal way. In addition she would have been asked and had to check she did not have any banned items at the kiosk.


Well this is news, any links
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 12:11
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Well this is news, any links
Woman fined US$500 for taking 'free' apple from Delta flight through customs | South China Morning Post

Not sure why link is not clickable. You will have to cut and paste it. Working now for some reason, perhaps mods fixed it.

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Old 24th Apr 2018, 12:51
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Originally Posted by Hipennine View Post
Given this was presumably a US aircraft (being Delta), where do they load the (sealed in a bag) apples, and what happens if there's a whole load of them left on the aircraft on arrival (or any foodstuffs for that matter)?
I often picked up the domestic portion of a flight that had arrived from Europe. The cleaners weren't allow aboard until customs sprayed the remaining food stuffs. Then the company disposed of it in a prescribed manner. May be different now. I retired in 1990.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 13:43
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Headline *should* be:
Woman fined $500 for contravening bio-security regulations.
Then put it in JetBlast
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 13:51
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767 View Post
Woman fined US$500 for taking 'free' apple from Delta flight through customs | South China Morning Post

Not sure why link is not clickable. You will have to cut and paste it. Working now for some reason, perhaps mods fixed it.
As I suspected, a bit more to this story than the original report might have you believe.

And, sorry Sailvi767, but the following is not entirely true.

It appears you had a connecting flight. Passengers virtually worldwide are not allowed liquids exceeding 3 ounces.
Boarding aircraft in much of Asia and Australia with duty free liquor / perfume, etc is entirely acceptable, depending on destination and provided it has been purchased and bagged at an airside duty free outlet.


That sort of excludes a fair swathe of worldwide, virtually or otherwise.
Domestic flights within Australia are not subject to restrictions on how much liquid, aerosols and gels you can carry onboard.

Admittedly you may run into problems at the next transit airport, but boarding is often permissible.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 14:08
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
As I suspected, a bit more to this story than the original report might have you believe.

And, sorry Sailvi767, but the following is not entirely true.

Boarding aircraft in much of Asia and Australia with duty free liquor / perfume, etc is entirely acceptable, depending on destination and provided it has been purchased and bagged at an airside duty free outlet.


That sort of excludes a fair swathe of worldwide, virtually or otherwise.
Domestic flights within Australia are not subject to restrictions on how much liquid, aerosols and gels you can carry onboard.

Admittedly you may run into problems at the next transit airport, but boarding is often permissible.
Itís been my experience that you canít clear security with duty free. All duty free must be purchased inside the secure zone. Might be different in some places. Once inside the secure zone you are free to purchase any liquids you like from water to alcohol.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 14:24
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767 View Post
It’s been my experience that you can’t clear security with duty free. All duty free must be purchased inside the secure zone. Might be different in some places. Once inside the secure zone you are free to purchase any liquids you like from water to alcohol.
As in "depending on destination and provided it has been purchased and bagged at an airside duty free outlet."

You may well have problems making a transit transfer with liquor bagged and sealed at point of origin.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 14:50
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I don't want to bog the original discussion down with my adventures with a bottle of Lufthansa wine. But:

I got off the flight, which was FRA-ATL at ATL. I can't recall how ATL is arranged for customs etc. On hind sight, and after the comments in the last couple of posts on the subject, I suppose I had passed customs with my checked bag, before having my bottle confiscated at the last security desk just before the outside world. What the agent must have said to me was probably that in order not to lose my wine I would need to put the bottle in my checked bag, then recheck it. Something like that, which didn't sound reasonable. Not a good idea at any time, especially having just flown FRA-ATL.

So the story is limited to my still being surprised to be told that I could not take a bottle of wine, an in-flight gift, into Atlanta.

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Old 24th Apr 2018, 16:43
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Originally Posted by l.garey View Post
So the story is limited to my still being surprised to be told that I could not take a bottle of wine, an in-flight gift, into Atlanta.
There's no such restriction and there never has been. You were a victim of theft.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 16:53
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So the story is limited to my still being surprised to be told that I could not take a bottle of wine, an in-flight gift, into Atlanta.
Well colour me confused...I’ve entered the States from Europe (including through ATL, a multitude of times) and over the years have seen a multitude of passengers get through the American “system” without handing over their booze (in their hand baggage, bought airside at the airport of departure) so all I can say is your experience sounds very strange...
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 17:01
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Originally Posted by Lascaille View Post
There's no such restriction and there never has been. You were a victim of theft.
This is incorrect. You can not take a bottle of wine through security into the sterile area at any US, EU or for that matter almost anywhere in the world. The ability to do that ended 15 or more years ago. You canít even take a bottle of water.
What a few are not grasping is that once you clear customs and immigration you are not in the secure area of the airport. To get back into the secure area you must be screened by TSA just as if you arrived at the airport for your first flight segment. If you purchased duty free at the departure airport it will also be taken from you unless you place it in your checked bag and recheck it after customs. You will have your checked bag with you clearing customs so itís no problem to do so.
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