SWA1380 - diversion to KPHL after engine event
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Also - an wondering if the female passenger who was killed was actually hit by the debris that broke the window? Thinking it might be equally possible that her injuries were caused by being sucked out the hole and/or by any loose items in the cabin that were sucked out past her and might have hit her.
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reports are that the lady DID have her seat belt fastened -
This is a one in a zillion case but it sure as hell make an impression on the public...... just about everyone remembers what happened to Auric Goldfinger but this was real - not James Bond......
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Learn and improve rather than mock
Calling for a Darwin award for someone in an unexpected situation not of their making who tries but fails to follow safety instructions is more than harsh.
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I don't think any simulator experience can prepare you for this. BANG! -- something is wrong. Really wrong. You have good instrumentation and automation, and you know what you're doing, but at the end of the day you're still a fallible human and your ship is wounded in ways neither you nor the automation fully know yet -- and won't fully know until you try to do something, like extend flaps or even move the yoke a bit -- and find out whether bent metal, binding bearings, or severed hydraulics will stop things from happening the way you hoped -- or whether or when additional parts of the airplane will decide to take early retirement. Respect for all involved.
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Eyewitnesses can be unreliable and all, but in the Marty Martinez interview recording on CNN he describes a sequence of three events separated by several seconds each: an initial explosion sound, then oxygen masks deploying, and then the window exploding -- which he witnessed fro just two rows away.
Not sure if that reveals anything meaningful -- engine/cowl pieces could have come loose on a delay due to the outside airflow, or the window could have still been struck immediately but taken a few seconds to fully fail -- but I hadn't seen that bit about the sequence mentioned here before.
Question: is it concerning that passengers / cabin crew repeatedly tried to plug the hole with various objects that kept getting sucked out the window? What are the odds those objects could widen the hole further, or strike control surfaces on the tail?
Not sure if that reveals anything meaningful -- engine/cowl pieces could have come loose on a delay due to the outside airflow, or the window could have still been struck immediately but taken a few seconds to fully fail -- but I hadn't seen that bit about the sequence mentioned here before.
Question: is it concerning that passengers / cabin crew repeatedly tried to plug the hole with various objects that kept getting sucked out the window? What are the odds those objects could widen the hole further, or strike control surfaces on the tail?
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Incorrect mask donning.........Perhaps it’s because in my experience as a very regular traveller that only about 10-20% of pax actually bother to watch the safety demo or read the emergency card.....too busy on various social media platforms, reading the paper, chatting, playing with their iPad/phone etc etc
It’s (lack of) personal responsibility - too many think it’ll never happen to me / doesn’t apply to me.......and who thinks taking a selfie or going on Facebook live (whatever that is) is that important under the circumstances?
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It’s (lack of) personal responsibility - too many think it’ll never happen to me / doesn’t apply to me.......and who thinks taking a selfie or going on Facebook live (whatever that is) is that important under the circumstances?
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For measuring rough damage extent, looking at the side profile of the engine from the starboard side, "Southwest.com" has lost seven letters down to "....st.com"
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Regarding the injury and death, the reports just don't add up.
- There was a lot of blood -- the window looks clean.
- There was a heart attack.
- The victim of the heart attack died.
- The passenger who got sucked out died of her injuries.
- It has also been proposed that the fuselage got pierced in a position different from the window, so the injury and blood would have been elsewhere.
All in all, this could be one person or three who had this happen to them.
- There was a lot of blood -- the window looks clean.
- There was a heart attack.
- The victim of the heart attack died.
- The passenger who got sucked out died of her injuries.
- It has also been proposed that the fuselage got pierced in a position different from the window, so the injury and blood would have been elsewhere.
All in all, this could be one person or three who had this happen to them.
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Design of oxygen mask - #108 If the mask were shaped to fit nose and mouth, similar to that used in hospital intensive care units, it would be much simpler to fit correctly in the panic mode when they drop in front of the pax.
Incorrect mask donning.........Perhaps it’s because in my experience as a very regular traveller that only about 10-20% of pax actually bother to watch the safety demo or read the emergency card.....too busy on various social media platforms, reading the paper, chatting, playing with their iPad/phone etc etc
Incorrect mask donning.....
Anyone care to write about the pressure/suction created by the venturi effect (or other effects) in this incident?
Is there any danger of passengers being “sucked” out once cabin pressure has equilized?
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In theory yes but in practice, I would be pretty confident in saying that some people will still get it wrong.
Have a search for people wearing life jackets in the Hudson ditching. There's a bloke that is wearing one the wrong way (they are not front/back specific, but they can be top/bottom!)
P.S I think the bags on the mask typically also have the instructions/diagram on them.
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....yes, but during the demo and on the safety card it clearly states “place the mask over your nose and mouth and breath normally”.....but if you don’t watch/read it then you’re putting yourself at a disadvantage (potentially life threatening) before you’ve even left the ground.
If proof were required about lack of attention, how many evacs have we seen where pax pause to get their carry on bags? That’s puts others at risk. Again the “it doesn’t apply to me” attitude. There’s a lot of it about.
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If proof were required about lack of attention, how many evacs have we seen where pax pause to get their carry on bags? That’s puts others at risk. Again the “it doesn’t apply to me” attitude. There’s a lot of it about.
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Mythbusters did a pretty good episode about this several years ago. In short: no (in my view).