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SWA1380 - diversion to KPHL after engine event

Old 18th Apr 2018, 06:07
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Pictures on AVHerald appear to show damage on the leading edge, at a number of points outboard of the engine.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 06:24
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Once the engine failure is contained the only emergency is for the injured pax. Other than the dreaded single engine landing. "Brace for impact" would panic the passengers even more. I would imagine that the cabin crew would be still highly stressed.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 06:56
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Originally Posted by Unhooked View Post
Once the engine failure is contained the only emergency is for the injured pax. Other than the dreaded single engine landing. "Brace for impact" would panic the passengers even more. I would imagine that the cabin crew would be still highly stressed.
Not so sure about that. Pilots have no way of knowing if flying debris has done other structural damage. Photos on another site show damage to the leading edge of the wing, and what appears to be at least one small hole besides the damage to the window. Maybe flaps or another control surface jams, maybe something that has been weakened comes loose. Not to mention that it sounds as if half the passengers were busy with their electronic devices taking video and sending messages to loved ones. If they didn't listen to the briefing about how to put their mask on, are they actually going to listen to anything short of "Brace for impact"?

Also - an wondering if the female passenger who was killed was actually hit by the debris that broke the window? Thinking it might be equally possible that her injuries were caused by being sucked out the hole and/or by any loose items in the cabin that were sucked out past her and might have hit her.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 07:09
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One good reason to keep your seatbelt fastened loosely during the flight.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 07:30
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Here's a fresh picture of the engine:

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnew....jpg?ve=1&tl=1

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Old 18th Apr 2018, 07:42
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Originally Posted by crewmeal View Post
One good reason to keep your seatbelt fastened loosely during the flight.

reports are that the lady DID have her seat belt fastened -

This is a one in a zillion case but it sure as hell make an impression on the public...... just about everyone remembers what happened to Auric Goldfinger but this was real - not James Bond......
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 07:45
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southw...es_Flight_1380
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 08:24
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Gotta put the Facebooker who took a video of himself with the O2 mask over his mouth up for a Darwin Award! Nice job!
In the photo I have seen there are three people wearing the mask and they are all wearing it wrongly. The right reaction to this is to ask why and what can be done to improve the situation. Is it the design of mask, the training/communication or something else? What is the typical response? What factors affect it? Ideally the shape would be such that to wear it correctly is natural and comfortable and incorrectly difficult and uncomfortable. Is that possible? Can their be picures or diagrams on the mask? Should the safety briefing be changed?

Calling for a Darwin award for someone in an unexpected situation not of their making who tries but fails to follow safety instructions is more than harsh.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 08:25
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 08:27
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I don't think any simulator experience can prepare you for this. BANG! -- something is wrong. Really wrong. You have good instrumentation and automation, and you know what you're doing, but at the end of the day you're still a fallible human and your ship is wounded in ways neither you nor the automation fully know yet -- and won't fully know until you try to do something, like extend flaps or even move the yoke a bit -- and find out whether bent metal, binding bearings, or severed hydraulics will stop things from happening the way you hoped -- or whether or when additional parts of the airplane will decide to take early retirement. Respect for all involved.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 08:35
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Eyewitnesses can be unreliable and all, but in the Marty Martinez interview recording on CNN he describes a sequence of three events separated by several seconds each: an initial explosion sound, then oxygen masks deploying, and then the window exploding -- which he witnessed fro just two rows away.

Not sure if that reveals anything meaningful -- engine/cowl pieces could have come loose on a delay due to the outside airflow, or the window could have still been struck immediately but taken a few seconds to fully fail -- but I hadn't seen that bit about the sequence mentioned here before.

Question: is it concerning that passengers / cabin crew repeatedly tried to plug the hole with various objects that kept getting sucked out the window? What are the odds those objects could widen the hole further, or strike control surfaces on the tail?
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 08:39
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Incorrect mask donning.........Perhaps it’s because in my experience as a very regular traveller that only about 10-20% of pax actually bother to watch the safety demo or read the emergency card.....too busy on various social media platforms, reading the paper, chatting, playing with their iPad/phone etc etc

It’s (lack of) personal responsibility - too many think it’ll never happen to me / doesn’t apply to me.......and who thinks taking a selfie or going on Facebook live (whatever that is) is that important under the circumstances?

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Old 18th Apr 2018, 08:43
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For measuring rough damage extent, looking at the side profile of the engine from the starboard side, "Southwest.com" has lost seven letters down to "....st.com"
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 09:04
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Regarding the injury and death, the reports just don't add up.

- There was a lot of blood -- the window looks clean.
- There was a heart attack.
- The victim of the heart attack died.
- The passenger who got sucked out died of her injuries.
- It has also been proposed that the fuselage got pierced in a position different from the window, so the injury and blood would have been elsewhere.


All in all, this could be one person or three who had this happen to them.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 09:05
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Design of oxygen mask - #108 If the mask were shaped to fit nose and mouth, similar to that used in hospital intensive care units, it would be much simpler to fit correctly in the panic mode when they drop in front of the pax.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 09:10
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Incorrect mask donning.........Perhaps it’s because in my experience as a very regular traveller that only about 10-20% of pax actually bother to watch the safety demo or read the emergency card.....too busy on various social media platforms, reading the paper, chatting, playing with their iPad/phone etc etc
Are all the critics sure the a/c is still in the emergency descent? The videos I've seen of that initial stage show everyone with correctly fitting masks.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 09:10
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Incorrect mask donning.....
There is no opportunity for passengers to practice donning face mask or life vest, so what should we expect?

Anyone care to write about the pressure/suction created by the venturi effect (or other effects) in this incident?

Is there any danger of passengers being “sucked” out once cabin pressure has equilized?

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Old 18th Apr 2018, 09:12
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 09:17
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Originally Posted by hexboy View Post
Design of oxygen mask - #108 If the mask were shaped to fit nose and mouth, similar to that used in hospital intensive care units, it would be much simpler to fit correctly in the panic mode when they drop in front of the pax.

In theory yes but in practice, I would be pretty confident in saying that some people will still get it wrong.

Have a search for people wearing life jackets in the Hudson ditching. There's a bloke that is wearing one the wrong way (they are not front/back specific, but they can be top/bottom!)


P.S I think the bags on the mask typically also have the instructions/diagram on them.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 09:21
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....yes, but during the demo and on the safety card it clearly states “place the mask over your nose and mouth and breath normally”.....but if you don’t watch/read it then you’re putting yourself at a disadvantage (potentially life threatening) before you’ve even left the ground.

If proof were required about lack of attention, how many evacs have we seen where pax pause to get their carry on bags? That’s puts others at risk. Again the “it doesn’t apply to me” attitude. There’s a lot of it about.

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