EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid

[captplaystation]

You have to send a certified copy only if there have been entries on it subsequent to issue, which there obviously will be if you have had it for more than one year and your TR is current.

[PPRuNeUser0215]

I see. Cheers.

[citabria06g]

Just to make things even more interesting, the help text for the State of Transfer TO/FROM boxes (visible in AdobeDC & Edge) is inverted.... to is from and from is to!



I ignored this and went by what column B says.

[asmith474]

Hey everyone looking for some advice. About to start my PPL training in Poland which means i will finish with a UK ppl license. From what they told me in Poland, is that i don't have to worry about making a transfer of my license until later on during the CPL stage. Is this recommended ? Or should i start my transfer to the polish/irish caa during my PPL training.

Lastly as a UK national would it be better to transfer to the irish or polish authority or simply wait until further developments in brexit. Keep in mind I'm only at the PPL stage.
thanks

[180Knots]

Hello guys. If the BREXIT will end up with a deal, will we be able to fly non-UK a/c ?

[Wickerbill]

The snag is Knots, until there is a deal nobody f**king knows!
Nothing is agreed until its all agreed and very few know what the detail is.

[SFIM]

Hello guys. If the BREXIT will end up with a deal, will we be able to fly non-UK a/c ?

hello Mr Knots, I thought this question was quite clear, ie if there is a deal we should remain in EASA until at least the end of the transition period, 31 dec 2020, and hopefully after that.

[737 CL]

Hi, Just a question, I have done my Medical Certificate expiring at the end of this year and I am transferring my license from Uk to Ireland, My question is, during the transfer my ECG is going to be expired but my medical is expiring at the end of this year. Do I have any problem as a require of an ECG even with my 1 class certificate current?

[asmith474]

To anyone who has filled the the RPPL-F-100M form could you help me out. On section 2. For the AME Name and location would I need to put the details of my first UK initial class 1 or the details for where I did my latest renewal of the class 1 in Poland?
thank you

[SFIM]

The latest medical, so they can liase with your AME if required, the UK CAA bothered mine for a ECG, which I guess they must have lost.

oh and today the IAA said they are ready to pull the trigger, just have to send my current licence / medical to them now before they will send the new one.

[asmith474]

Does anyone know if payments to the IAA can be made online. I dont really like the idea of sending all my card details through the post. Has anyone here managed to make a payment through another method.

[Old King Coal]

Update just now from UK CAA:

Q) If I transfer my licence to another EASA member state, can I be issued with a UK licence after March 29 2019?

A) Yes, this process is under review; the CAA is developing a simplified application and validation procedure for recent holders of UK-issued Part FCLs which will accept applications from 1 July 2019.

So basically, UK License holders will be able to transfer out of the UK CAA over to some other EU EASA NAA and then, some weeks after Brexit, apply to the UK CAA to get their UK Licenses back, thereafter holding both a EASA and a UK CAA license (subject to the usual provisos in respect of medical's and current type / sim checks for each NAA).

https://info.caa.co.uk/eu-exit/comme...eid=141a30f6b7

[Old King Coal]

Originally Posted by contour flyer

For a fee...

Of course... it is after all the CAA ('Cash And Aggravation' or 'Cancel All Aviating').

That said, one wonders if EASA will offer the same facility (i.e. to return) to those who've maybe moved their licenses over to the UK CAA?

[Skyjob]

Originally Posted by Old King Coal

That said, one wonders if EASA will offer the same facility (i.e. to return) to those who've maybe moved their licenses over to the UK CAA?

Unlikely:
- the UK decided to leave the level playing field;
- the UK wants to continue making use of the level playing field it created in days gone by;
- the UK does not have (as unable to while still in level playing field) new procedures for current level playing field players;
- what would be CAA gain in offering this facility? Continued flights beyond the ever so close Brexit date, until new procedures can be established.
- what would be EASA gain in doing so? Nothing...

Personally, I do think all EASA licence holders should be offered the opportunity to get an additional new UK licence, not just those holding UK issued EASA licences or operating UK registered aircraft.
This to ensure all current pilots working in UK on non-UK registered aircraft retain access to their local aviation market.

[Denti]

Originally Posted by Old King Coal

Of course... it is after all the CAA ('Cash And Aggravation' or 'Cancel All Aviating').

That said, one wonders if EASA will offer the same facility (i.e. to return) to those who've maybe moved their licenses over to the UK CAA?

One has to question: does EASA offer that to any other third country? I don't think so, therefore it does seem unlikely. After all, the UK wants to diverge from, not converge with european rules and regulations, that is the whole purpose of leaving.

[fdgolf]

And one wonders:

Why will an EASA UK issued license be not valid after a no-deal Brexit right away? After all it complies with all EASA rules...
Different story is to revalidate/renew it, or add new type ratings, but in the meantime should be legal.

Cheers

[Denti]

Originally Posted by fdgolf

And one wonders:

Why will an EASA UK issued license be not valid after a no-deal Brexit right away? After all it complies with all EASA rules...
Different story is to revalidate/renew it, or add new type ratings, but in the meantime should be legal.

Cheers

Well, because the authority having oversight of that license is no longer under the authority of EASA of course. As the UK wants to diverge from EU regulations, and without a withdrawal agreement that regulates how stuff will continue after the brexit deal, it can do so immediately and actually does so immediately as any mention of EASA in the relevant copied over laws will vanish, there is no assurance that the CAA as the NAA overseeing that license still complies with EASA rules past the 29th of march. The EU and its agencies are very much rule based organizations, which is something many people constantly underestimate in its importance.

[fdgolf]

Originally Posted by Denti

Well, because the authority having oversight of that license is no longer under the authority of EASA of course. As the UK wants to diverge from EU regulations, and without a withdrawal agreement that regulates how stuff will continue after the brexit deal, it can do so immediately and actually does so immediately as any mention of EASA in the relevant copied over laws will vanish, there is no assurance that the CAA as the NAA overseeing that license still complies with EASA rules past the 29th of march. The EU and its agencies are very much rule based organizations, which is something many people constantly underestimate in its importance.

Denti'
Thanks for your clear reply, I do agree with it from the legal point of view, but do think about two words I said: right away. Where does right away begin or end? March 31st, 00:01? A week later? 2 weeks later...?
I would say whenever a legal change on licensing regulation happens, or whenever the particular license needs to be revalidated, whatever happens first!

Cheers

[Denti]

Originally Posted by fdgolf

Denti'
Thanks for your clear reply, I do agree with it from the legal point of view, but do think about two words I said: right away. Where does right away begin or end? March 31st, 00:01? A week later? 2 weeks later...?
I would say whenever a legal change on licensing regulation happens, or whenever the particular license needs to be revalidated, whatever happens first!

Cheers

The problem with that is, that the EASA would have to react on legal procedures within a third country in hindsight. They do so if needed, however, if one can clearly see a defined date they have to use that date. There is actually no wiggle room for them, except if the commission proposes some changed laws and the EU parliament (and EU council if needed) approve it. Which happened to a few things pertaining aviation, but not for flight crew licenses as there is no need and it is not in the interest of the EU. Remember, the UK wants to leave, and EU agencies have to protect the interests of the remaining EU citizens and their businesses, not those in the UK after leaving.

So yes, the logical and only legal date is 29th of March, midnight CEST. As i said, the EU is a deeply rule based society, it has to follow its own rules.

It looks likely that there will be an extension, although that does depend on unanimity between all EU countries, which of course would enforce a different exit date, which then will be the new cutoff point in case of no deal, which is the legally binding default, even though the HoC voted against it, which is of course not binding in any way, there are only two legal ways out of a no deal scenario: withdraw the article 50 application, or sign a deal (aka withdrawal agreement).

[turbine100]

The CAA site still has the 29th as the leaving date this week, didn't the EU provide the U.K with two extension dates last week? Will the CAA provide a revised update / communication or is the 29th still in law?