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Funny enough, the UK pretty much promises to let EU airlines continue to fly into the UK and hopes (hope? in a legal process?) the EU would reciprocate. Why would the EU do that? I mean, the EU gets the full deal and the UK nothing? That would help EU airlines quite a bit, wouldn't it?
The same as for flights is actually going to happen to channel ferries and trains. Which would pretty much isolate the UK from the EU on march 30th with the exception of NI.
The same as for flights is actually going to happen to channel ferries and trains. Which would pretty much isolate the UK from the EU on march 30th with the exception of NI.
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Question. How does this affect non-commercial flying? If you go to L2K for lunch will you need special permission? Looking forward to the next ramp check
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I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.
Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.
Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!
Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.
Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!
Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K.
I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.
Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.
Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!
Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.
Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!
Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
Yeah, the most lucrative routes over the Atlantic - pity not many can use them until a replacement for the Bermuda II UK-US air transport agreement is put in place!
For me, I don't understand why a system of bilateral agreements need to be in place - surely this should be at ICAO level rather than at EU or individual member level? What does anyone have to gain to go back to a 1980s system where only certain operators can operate certain routes, at certain times, which to be fair, still exists in many parts of the world. (I'm sure BA would love this system to return as they were really rolling in the money under this system).
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Hope? What "hope"?
As a retired professional negotiator ive been constantly stunned to see that our Government and "Negotiators" couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag. I wouldn't have paid DD in washers and poor Raab is simply now a mouthpiece for our crackers final position.
What's with this "hope" thing? It reminds me of that dreadful quip - "and the meek shall inherit the earth- if thats alright with you chaps."
To me this is a straightforward. We have a superb negotiating position. Look at our geographic location. If we cannot fly to any EU country, a situation which is laughable posturing, then no EU generated flight can cross UK aerospace.
Simples? Unworkable? Probably - but lets take the fight to the EU and stop rolling over!
Nurse! The screens!
What's with this "hope" thing? It reminds me of that dreadful quip - "and the meek shall inherit the earth- if thats alright with you chaps."
To me this is a straightforward. We have a superb negotiating position. Look at our geographic location. If we cannot fly to any EU country, a situation which is laughable posturing, then no EU generated flight can cross UK aerospace.
Simples? Unworkable? Probably - but lets take the fight to the EU and stop rolling over!
Nurse! The screens!
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I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.
Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.
Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!
Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.
Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!
Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
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As a retired professional negotiator ive been constantly stunned to see that our Government and "Negotiators" couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag. I wouldn't have paid DD in washers and poor Raab is simply now a mouthpiece for our crackers final position.
What's with this "hope" thing? It reminds me of that dreadful quip - "and the meek shall inherit the earth- if thats alright with you chaps."
To me this is a straightforward. We have a superb negotiating position. Look at our geographic location. If we cannot fly to any EU country, a situation which is laughable posturing, then no EU generated flight can cross UK aerospace.
Simples? Unworkable? Probably - but lets take the fight to the EU and stop rolling over!
Nurse! The screens!
What's with this "hope" thing? It reminds me of that dreadful quip - "and the meek shall inherit the earth- if thats alright with you chaps."
To me this is a straightforward. We have a superb negotiating position. Look at our geographic location. If we cannot fly to any EU country, a situation which is laughable posturing, then no EU generated flight can cross UK aerospace.
Simples? Unworkable? Probably - but lets take the fight to the EU and stop rolling over!
Nurse! The screens!
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Brexit / Advantages for third party holder ?
This opinion slammed into my head this morning just like I had 5 tequila shots for breakfast:
me: EU citizen with Canadian commercial ( ICAO 3rd party ) and not over 1000tt yet
my quest: just assumed it's gonna be a no deal and UK has to develop and figure out a brand new CAA from a to z with all subtopics in terms of air law, marshaller jacket colour and of course licensing validation and conversion;
does anyone maybe belive that this could be a loophole for folks like me, trying to come home without conversion since EASA wouldn't be no longer Uk's principal ? Any assumption out there?
"if you pull-houses become smaller-if you pull more, they become bigger again"
me: EU citizen with Canadian commercial ( ICAO 3rd party ) and not over 1000tt yet
my quest: just assumed it's gonna be a no deal and UK has to develop and figure out a brand new CAA from a to z with all subtopics in terms of air law, marshaller jacket colour and of course licensing validation and conversion;
does anyone maybe belive that this could be a loophole for folks like me, trying to come home without conversion since EASA wouldn't be no longer Uk's principal ? Any assumption out there?
"if you pull-houses become smaller-if you pull more, they become bigger again"
Short answer: no.
The UK would have to decide to endorse / convert Canadian licenses to UK ones, and they would be UK national licenses that are not valid to operate EASA registered aircraft.
The UK would have to decide to endorse / convert Canadian licenses to UK ones, and they would be UK national licenses that are not valid to operate EASA registered aircraft.
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can you guys follow? Sorry... It's a little mess and chaos but that's my situation
Well the UK will not recognise an ICAO licence they will make you sit multiple exams to learn their laws of physics then charge you a heap of money for the privilege.
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Who cares about EASA aircraft... I was just thinking of getting a job then somewhere in the UK where I don't have to convert my ICAO license and can fly UK aircraft but being "home " based somewhere in the UK.
can you guys follow? Sorry... It's a little mess and chaos but that's my situation
can you guys follow? Sorry... It's a little mess and chaos but that's my situation
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Well, are you a UK citizen or have the right to work an reside in the UK? Which you would have to, being an EU citizen doesn't help there as you would need to get residency and that will be based on missing skills, which pilots won't be in all probability, there will be no preference for EU citizens post brexit. And to get residency status now you already have to be in the country for a while being in a job and earning a certain amount of money or having enough in the bank to support yourself including private health insurance.
my gf ( were both Germans) just recently got a job in Switzerland. A country that has never been part of the EU. So should i expect mpre difficulties in getting a visa of a former eu country than one that has never been a part? I think that visa thing won't be an issue since trade/internal market/nato and what else topics are still in discussion when Brexit has already been conducted. And vice versa by the way.. I mean how many UK citizens work across eu as a commuter? They wouldn't loose their jobs just because not having a eu passport all of a sudden. Just my opinion
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https://news.sky.com/story/juncker-b...-fail-11514505
You couldn't make this rubbish up could you, I wonder what he would think if we refused EU aircraft permission to fly in UK airspace, that would be make a heck of a long route to the US etc.
Juncker: British planes may be stopped from landing in EU if Brexit talks fail
You couldn't make this rubbish up could you, I wonder what he would think if we refused EU aircraft permission to fly in UK airspace, that would be make a heck of a long route to the US etc.
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https://news.sky.com/story/juncker-b...-fail-11514505
You couldn't make this rubbish up could you, I wonder what he would think if we refused EU aircraft permission to fly in UK airspace, that would be make a heck of a long route to the US etc.
You couldn't make this rubbish up could you, I wonder what he would think if we refused EU aircraft permission to fly in UK airspace, that would be make a heck of a long route to the US etc.
"There never was a real referendum campaign in Britain in the sense of an information campaign.
The British, including government ministers, are only now discovering how many questions it raises.
If talks [on air transport] go wrong, then no more British airplanes can land on the continent.
People didn't know that, and they should probably have been told."
I personally agree with him, and about the right to overfly UK...have you ever wondered what will happen to UK airlines if they can’t overfly Europe anymore?
This war is bad for everyone, but let’s be honest: do you really think the EU is going to suffer more than the UK in case if no deal?
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On leaving th EU we automatically become a third country. That is a consequence of Article 50. Anything more than that needs to be negotiated,
I expect the EU would rather like us to remain part of EASA. However, for that to happen we would have to accept ruling of the ECJ, which at present is still one of Mrs May’s Red Lines.
I expect the EU would rather like us to remain part of EASA. However, for that to happen we would have to accept ruling of the ECJ, which at present is still one of Mrs May’s Red Lines.
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On leaving th EU we automatically become a third country. That is a consequence of Article 50. Anything more than that needs to be negotiated,
I expect the EU would rather like us to remain part of EASA. However, for that to happen we would have to accept ruling of the ECJ, which at present is still one of Mrs May’s Red Lines.
That the UK position is to seek EASA membership with indirect (or whatever you want to call it) ECJ jurisdiction a la Switzerland was reported in mainstream news last year ( e.g. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/88...es-Theresa-May , https://news.sky.com/story/govt-to-s...-line-11151049 ) and confirmed publically in a whitepaper back in July (may be earlier). You can call it blurring the red line, bending the red line, or crossing the red line, doesn't matter - it is the UK position and has been for many months.
There has been plenty of time to agree and conclude a deal for aviation to provide certainty for the industry, on both sides, but the politicians insist that the negotiations should be an all-or-nothing game of brinkmanship, while asking the impossible of the other side - and again, this is on both sides. It'll end with either a last minute fudge that no one likes, or a no-deal that the politicians have refused to allow the industry to prepare for by banning EASA from talking to the CAA.
