EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid
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Thanks and yes, its been (re)read a number of times since April, hence my emphasis on currently holding UK CAA issued paperwork. Following 29 March could well be a different story as you and the EC have 'suggested' in their Notice to Stakeholders however for now, there are no hold pools for UK licenced applicants nor any proactive reduction in employment of UK licence holders. Interestingly, as we get closer, there are now some quite serious concerns about the potential impact of a "no-deal" departure on remaining EU industry. SES funding is certainly being looked at closely for example and EASA are currently engaged in a review of their fees and charging mechanism - neither explicitly as a consequence of a shrinking kitty but I've heard it inferred within the Commission and the Agency.
Thanks and yes, its been (re)read a number of times since April, hence my emphasis on currently holding UK CAA issued paperwork. Following 29 March could well be a different story as you and the EC have 'suggested' in their Notice to Stakeholders however for now, there are no hold pools for UK licenced applicants nor any proactive reduction in employment of UK licence holders. Interestingly, as we get closer, there are now some quite serious concerns about the potential impact of a "no-deal" departure on remaining EU industry. SES funding is certainly being looked at closely for example and EASA are currently engaged in a review of their fees and charging mechanism - neither explicitly as a consequence of a shrinking kitty but I've heard it inferred within the Commission and the Agency.
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As the government prepares to publish its no-deal technical notice on aviation later this week, ADS has sent a further letter to Sabine Weyand, asking again for technical discussions between the CAA and EASA (https://www.adsgroup.org.uk..., while Sky has obtained documents that show that the CAA is 'scrambling to make the necessary preparations for a no-deal Brexit' https://news.sky.com/story/...
No Negan, you do not have to be a member of the single market but you do have to accept the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. One of the British government’s red lines was that the ECJ influence in the UK ends when we leave. However, under the chequers plan they changed their mind and have now requested to remain part of EASA, whether this is agreed or not remains to be seen.
The Civil Aviation Authority has put out a statement in response to Sky News’ report that British pilots would need to be reissued with their licenses and would no longer have them recognised by European Aviation Safety Agency in the event of a no deal Brexit.
The CAA decribed the Sky report as “misleading” and dismissed the idea that UK pilot licenses would cease to be valid in the EU without a Brexit deal.
Sky’s claim that all licenses would need to be reissued “which would cost millions”was also shot down, with the CAA pointing out that this was a “purely cosmetic change” which would simply be carried out as and when pilots needed licenses to be reissued in the normal course of events. It is as daft as suggesting that the Home Office is going to reissue every single British passport the day after Brexit simply to erase the words “European Union” from the cover.
The CAA also accused Sky News of further departures from reality with their claims that there would be turbulence in its ability to provide safety oversight to the aviation industry in the event of no deal, “strongly refuting” any suggestion they were concerned and dismissing Sky as “confused”.
The CAA decribed the Sky report as “misleading” and dismissed the idea that UK pilot licenses would cease to be valid in the EU without a Brexit deal.
“Both commercial and private UK pilot licences would remain valid for use on UK-registered aircraft as the United Kingdom is a signatory to the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) Chicago Convention. Our licences are internationally recognised – including by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) – both now and after 29 March 2019.”
The CAA also accused Sky News of further departures from reality with their claims that there would be turbulence in its ability to provide safety oversight to the aviation industry in the event of no deal, “strongly refuting” any suggestion they were concerned and dismissing Sky as “confused”.
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Outside the EEA there is no possibility of the UK gaining associate membership of EASA and, as detailed in this piece, the best we can hope for is a "Working Arrangement". This will, of course, require full regulatory alignment (including ECJ compliance).
Further valuable reading here.
Outside the EEA there is no possibility of the UK gaining associate membership of EASA and, as detailed in this piece, the best we can hope for is a "Working Arrangement". This will, of course, require full regulatory alignment (including ECJ compliance).
Further valuable reading here.
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Just seen this.
So something has delayed a key technical notice around aviation that is urgent and needs to help the aviation industry plan for a no-deal. Ye Gods, why are these overpaid and deeply unimpressive idiots in charge of such an important decision
The second set of risk assessments are also expected to touch on security concerns, with papers expected on firearms and precursor drugs. But a paper on aviation that had been anticipated – amid warnings that planes could be grounded in an extreme scenario – is not due to appear.
Negan
Outside the EEA there is no possibility of the UK gaining associate membership of EASA and, as detailed in this piece, the best we can hope for is a "Working Arrangement". This will, of course, require full regulatory alignment (including ECJ compliance).
Further valuable reading here.
Outside the EEA there is no possibility of the UK gaining associate membership of EASA and, as detailed in this piece, the best we can hope for is a "Working Arrangement". This will, of course, require full regulatory alignment (including ECJ compliance).
Further valuable reading here.
thanks for the the link highcirrus, finally a commentator who actually understands the complexities.
Im guessing the papers on aviation will be released sometime over the Christmas holiday period in the hope no one will notice. What are other UK based airlines doing in regards to Brexit planning? EasyJet seem to be the only ones implementing anything.
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Dr. Richard North mentions ECAA here.
One such treaty is the Multilateral Agreement on the establishment of a European Common Aviation Area (ECAA), which takes in all EU Member States and countries such as Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia, Iceland and Norway.
This Multilateral Agreement is a formal treaty, entered in the EU's treaty database, making it in every way equivalent to the EEA Agreement. And it too, by virtue of Article 31, includes a provision for termination, taking effect a year after notice has been given.
The effect of membership of the ECAA, afforded by the Agreement, is to bind the contracting parties to full conformity with the EU's aviation acquis, including measure concerning safety, the environment and consumer protecting, in return for which full access is given to the EU's internal market in aviation.
In relation to the vexed question of whether UK aircraft will be grounded after Brexit day – and whether aircraft registered by EU Member States would be prevented from using UK airports and air traffic facilities – it would appear that the status quo would apply and air operations may continue as normal.
Undoubtedly, in rejecting the interpretation of international law which would otherwise keep us in the EEA, the UK must also refuse to accept that our membership of the ECAA continues after Brexit day. And, in that case, given a "no deal" exit, the provisions set out in the Commission's Notices to Stakeholders would apply, respectively here and here.
The UK would thus cease to benefit from access to the skies of EU Member States and, on the basis of non-conformity with the safety provisions, UK registered aircraft would be refused landing rights in the territories of EU Member States, and UK airports could no longer be used by EU-registered aircraft.
The impact of a "no deal" Brexit on air operations would thus be extraordinarily severe, so much so that many pundits argue that the UK and EU would quickly come to a deal which will permit resumption of the status quo. In other words, a "no-deal" Brexit would not actually mean a no-deal Brexit, certainly in respect of aviation. With the agreement of a side-deal, we would have a no-deal deal.
This Multilateral Agreement is a formal treaty, entered in the EU's treaty database, making it in every way equivalent to the EEA Agreement. And it too, by virtue of Article 31, includes a provision for termination, taking effect a year after notice has been given.
The effect of membership of the ECAA, afforded by the Agreement, is to bind the contracting parties to full conformity with the EU's aviation acquis, including measure concerning safety, the environment and consumer protecting, in return for which full access is given to the EU's internal market in aviation.
In relation to the vexed question of whether UK aircraft will be grounded after Brexit day – and whether aircraft registered by EU Member States would be prevented from using UK airports and air traffic facilities – it would appear that the status quo would apply and air operations may continue as normal.
Undoubtedly, in rejecting the interpretation of international law which would otherwise keep us in the EEA, the UK must also refuse to accept that our membership of the ECAA continues after Brexit day. And, in that case, given a "no deal" exit, the provisions set out in the Commission's Notices to Stakeholders would apply, respectively here and here.
The UK would thus cease to benefit from access to the skies of EU Member States and, on the basis of non-conformity with the safety provisions, UK registered aircraft would be refused landing rights in the territories of EU Member States, and UK airports could no longer be used by EU-registered aircraft.
The impact of a "no deal" Brexit on air operations would thus be extraordinarily severe, so much so that many pundits argue that the UK and EU would quickly come to a deal which will permit resumption of the status quo. In other words, a "no-deal" Brexit would not actually mean a no-deal Brexit, certainly in respect of aviation. With the agreement of a side-deal, we would have a no-deal deal.
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Technical Notices for a "No-Deal" Brexit
The UK Government Technical Notices in respect of Air Transport/Aerospace in the event of a "No-Deal" Brexit are due to be published week commencing 24 September. In light of recent events in Salzburg, can we still expect to see publication?
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Absolutely. We've all had enough of the "mushroom treatment". From 23.00 UTC, 29 March 2019 all our livelihoods will be at grave risk in the event of a "crash out" hard Brexit. I've written (again) to my useless, careerist, voting fodder excuse for an MP (Tory), more in anger than any hope of sentient return communication. If May can demand of the EU, I think it's time we (the UK population) all started to demand real, truthful answers of May.
I'll post any reply I get (don't hold your breaths).
Absolutely. We've all had enough of the "mushroom treatment". From 23.00 UTC, 29 March 2019 all our livelihoods will be at grave risk in the event of a "crash out" hard Brexit. I've written (again) to my useless, careerist, voting fodder excuse for an MP (Tory), more in anger than any hope of sentient return communication. If May can demand of the EU, I think it's time we (the UK population) all started to demand real, truthful answers of May.
I'll post any reply I get (don't hold your breaths).
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I've had a reply from my MP that included a letter from the transport ministry.
As expected it was basically, Don't panic, There is nothing to worry your pretty little head about as we still are working on the premise there will be a deal that will keep us in EASA. Even if there isn't the CAA will keep us aligned with EASA for 2 years.
Stress not, as they say
As expected it was basically, Don't panic, There is nothing to worry your pretty little head about as we still are working on the premise there will be a deal that will keep us in EASA. Even if there isn't the CAA will keep us aligned with EASA for 2 years.
Stress not, as they say
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Yup, I've had the same sort of guff in the past. These idiots don't seem to realise that to be in EASA, a nation has to be either a member of EU or EEA (or be special case Switzerland) and I also wondered at the time how the "CAA could keep us aligned to EASA for two years". I'm guessing they hope to "align" during a transition period up to 31 December 2020 in the event a Withdrawal Agreement is reached. This WA looks highly unlikely as May is now in a post Salzburg strop and seems hell bent on a crash out. Fasten your seat belts!
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Our company has asked those who have a UK issued EASA lic to check with the UK CAA that our medical records are up to date so if we need to transfer to another authority, that aspect is already sorted.