EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid
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I don't think politicians know the minutiae of stuff like licenses, however, their support staff does. Which, in the end, does not matter all that much if ideology comes into play and that plays a huge role currently in british politics. Especially with the prominent role of the DUP and the weak parliamentary position of the Tories.
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the "Thick of it" wasn't a comedy - it was a documentary...............
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UK CAA steps up planning for disorderly Brexit
Reuters 10 July 2018:
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s aviation regulator has stepped up planning for a “no deal” disorderly Brexit, identifying how many new staff would be needed and preparing safety systems to take on work now carried out by European authorities.......
On Tuesday the CAA published information on its plans to fulfill functions now delivered by the European Aviation Safety Agency, EASA, should that become necessary.
The CAA has consistently stated the most positive outcome is that Britain stays in EASA, and the government has said it wants to explore the terms on which that could happen.
Airlines and aerospace companies such as Airbus (AIR.PA), which makes the wings for all its passenger jets in Britain, are worried about Britain being excluded from EASA because the body approves planes and aircraft components.
As part of its “non-negotiated” withdrawal plans, the CAA could need to hire 30 to 50 new members of staff, a source told Reuters, adding no such jobs were advertised currently.
The CAA also said it would need to cover some regulatory processes itself if there is no deal.
“Our preparatory work includes adjusting existing systems so that they could continue to work in exactly the same way as now – but with the UK Government and the CAA fulfilling regulatory functions independently of the EU,” the CAA said on its website.
“As an example, the CAA is creating the capability required for the UK to fulfill State of Design responsibilities independently of EASA should that be needed once the UK leaves the EU.”
UK aerospace industry body ADS has said it would take approximately 5-10 years for the CAA to rebuild its safety regulation capability to take over from EASA.
On Tuesday the CAA published information on its plans to fulfill functions now delivered by the European Aviation Safety Agency, EASA, should that become necessary.
The CAA has consistently stated the most positive outcome is that Britain stays in EASA, and the government has said it wants to explore the terms on which that could happen.
Airlines and aerospace companies such as Airbus (AIR.PA), which makes the wings for all its passenger jets in Britain, are worried about Britain being excluded from EASA because the body approves planes and aircraft components.
As part of its “non-negotiated” withdrawal plans, the CAA could need to hire 30 to 50 new members of staff, a source told Reuters, adding no such jobs were advertised currently.
The CAA also said it would need to cover some regulatory processes itself if there is no deal.
“Our preparatory work includes adjusting existing systems so that they could continue to work in exactly the same way as now – but with the UK Government and the CAA fulfilling regulatory functions independently of the EU,” the CAA said on its website.
“As an example, the CAA is creating the capability required for the UK to fulfill State of Design responsibilities independently of EASA should that be needed once the UK leaves the EU.”
UK aerospace industry body ADS has said it would take approximately 5-10 years for the CAA to rebuild its safety regulation capability to take over from EASA.
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"UK aerospace industry body ADS has said it would take approximately 5-10 years for the CAA to rebuild its safety regulation capability to take over from EASA."
Meanwhile...?
Meanwhile...?
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Precisely. I wonder if Theresa can come up with anything suitable now that two of her Three Stooges have resigned?
dboy
In this case, we likely stay in EEA as an EFTA member rather than currently as an EU member and therefore stay in EASA/current Air Service Agreements. But remember, we're plucky Brits who do things the hard way and respect "the will of the people" (TM Theresa May, HoC, 9 July 2018). So is soft brexit likely to happen under this current "government"?
Meanwhile...?
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What happens in case of a soft brexit ( brexit light version)???
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It's not just aircraft and aviation.
The UK could, of course, decide ( or retaliate - take your pick ) that after the UK leaves the EU and is squeezed out of EASA, that cars need to have a UK issued Type Approval as those issued in France, Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Italy, Sweden, Spain, etc, are no longer applicable to a non-EU member.
Type Approval for Cars
The UK could, of course, decide ( or retaliate - take your pick ) that after the UK leaves the EU and is squeezed out of EASA, that cars need to have a UK issued Type Approval as those issued in France, Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Italy, Sweden, Spain, etc, are no longer applicable to a non-EU member.
Type Approval for Cars
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It's not just aircraft and aviation.
The UK could, of course, decide ( or retaliate - take your pick ) that after the UK leaves the EU and is squeezed out of EASA, that cars need to have a UK issued Type Approval as those issued in France, Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Italy, Sweden, Spain, etc, are no longer applicable to a non-EU member.
Type Approval for Cars
The UK could, of course, decide ( or retaliate - take your pick ) that after the UK leaves the EU and is squeezed out of EASA, that cars need to have a UK issued Type Approval as those issued in France, Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Italy, Sweden, Spain, etc, are no longer applicable to a non-EU member.
Type Approval for Cars
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Vehicle Type Approval (VTA) might be a little off topic. However, I would think that UK using the issue as a retaliatory tool against the EU, post brexit, might be a little ill advised. Proceed with caution might be a better maxim, especially as VTA is actually a matter set above EU level by UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission Europe) and its WP.29 (Working Party .29) group. The link you provide seems to be slightly misleading in that it gives the impression that the EU sets VTA standards. This is not the case; the EU accepts the UNECE/WP.29 rules handed down (rule taking, as our politicians quaintly term it) and then issues its own Directives for the EU28 nations to implement.
Dr Richard North, yet again, provides interested parties with immaculately researched and reasoned pieces on his blog here and here. Well worth a concentrated read if you wish to attain knowledge greater than the sum total of our "government".
Vehicle Type Approval (VTA) might be a little off topic. However, I would think that UK using the issue as a retaliatory tool against the EU, post brexit, might be a little ill advised. Proceed with caution might be a better maxim, especially as VTA is actually a matter set above EU level by UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission Europe) and its WP.29 (Working Party .29) group. The link you provide seems to be slightly misleading in that it gives the impression that the EU sets VTA standards. This is not the case; the EU accepts the UNECE/WP.29 rules handed down (rule taking, as our politicians quaintly term it) and then issues its own Directives for the EU28 nations to implement.
Dr Richard North, yet again, provides interested parties with immaculately researched and reasoned pieces on his blog here and here. Well worth a concentrated read if you wish to attain knowledge greater than the sum total of our "government".
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UK white paper released:
"...In some manufactured goods sectors where more complex products have the potential to pose a higher risk to consumers...the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) facilitate part of these regulatory frameworks.
the UK is seeking participation in these EU agencies, as an active participant, albeit without voting rights"
"a. for EASA, becoming a third country member via the established route under Article 66 of the EASA basic regulation, as Switzerland has;"
So, they want to stay in EASA.
"...In some manufactured goods sectors where more complex products have the potential to pose a higher risk to consumers...the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) facilitate part of these regulatory frameworks.
the UK is seeking participation in these EU agencies, as an active participant, albeit without voting rights"
"a. for EASA, becoming a third country member via the established route under Article 66 of the EASA basic regulation, as Switzerland has;"
So, they want to stay in EASA.
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The Future Relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union
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Participation by the UK in those EU agencies that provide authorisations for goods in highly regulated sectors – namely the European Chemicals Agency, the European Aviation Safety Agency, and the European Medicines Agency – accepting the rules of these agencies and contributing to their costs, under new arrangements that recognise the UK will not be a Member State.
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We will see if EU lets UK choose whatever they seem to find advantageous and reject all those thing that are not.
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Is there a negative for anyone to the UK remaining in EASA?
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After Brexit and leaving the EU the UK could remain an associate member of EASA, however it would have no influence, have to obey its rules and most importantly it would be subject to the ECJ. If Brexiteers are happy with that, which I would seriously doubt, then that would be a way forward. If not, the UK will no longer be part of Open Skies and all the benefits that brings.
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Of course, UK remaining in EASA would be good for both EU and UK. But, again, they have to reach an agreement, and right now they are far from that.
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"The EU organisation is like an omelette that Brexiteers seem to think we can now take the eggs out of, while still having an omelette at the end."
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Remaining in EASA is a viable answer, but yet to be agreed, if at all. However, how long would be it be before "us" as a UK CAA regulated work group (Pilots & Crew, Engineers, Ops, ATC et al), had a major problem with a rule from Brussels that we would have to comply with, but because we would have no voting or negotiating rights have no ability to change as an associate member of EASA? Isn't this the very perceived problem, i.e. dictated to by Brussels, that Brexiteers want to be rid of? Seems more like we would actually be more at the will of Brussels. Depending on who is leading/influencing the Government over the next few months, there could be a very strong resistance to remaining in EASA because of this, and a hard, non-negotiated exit becoming a reality so leaving the UK CAA and various agencies from other industries to pick up the pieces. Potential chaos!
"The EU organisation is like an omelette that Brexiteers seem to think we can now take the eggs out of, while still having an omelette at the end."
"The EU organisation is like an omelette that Brexiteers seem to think we can now take the eggs out of, while still having an omelette at the end."