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EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid

Old 18th Feb 2019, 23:54
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Hi, Just a question, I have done my Medical Certificate expiring at the end of this year and I am transferring my license from Uk to Ireland, My question is, during the transfer my ECG is going to be expired but my medical is expiring at the end of this year. Do I have any problem as a require of an ECG even with my 1 class certificate current?
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 16:44
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To anyone who has filled the the RPPL-F-100M form could you help me out. On section 2. For the AME Name and location would I need to put the details of my first UK initial class 1 or the details for where I did my latest renewal of the class 1 in Poland?
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 16:54
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The latest medical, so they can liase with your AME if required, the UK CAA bothered mine for a ECG, which I guess they must have lost.

oh and today the IAA said they are ready to pull the trigger, just have to send my current licence / medical to them now before they will send the new one.
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 21:16
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Does anyone know if payments to the IAA can be made online. I dont really like the idea of sending all my card details through the post. Has anyone here managed to make a payment through another method.
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 15:03
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Update just now from UK CAA:

Q) If I transfer my licence to another EASA member state, can I be issued with a UK licence after March 29 2019?

A) Yes, this process is under review; the CAA is developing a simplified application and validation procedure for recent holders of UK-issued Part FCLs which will accept applications from 1 July 2019.

So basically, UK License holders will be able to transfer out of the UK CAA over to some other EU EASA NAA and then, some weeks after Brexit, apply to the UK CAA to get their UK Licenses back, thereafter holding both a EASA and a UK CAA license (subject to the usual provisos in respect of medical's and current type / sim checks for each NAA).

https://info.caa.co.uk/eu-exit/comme...eid=141a30f6b7
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 00:06
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For a fee...
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 06:00
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For a fee...
Of course... it is after all the CAA ('Cash And Aggravation' or 'Cancel All Aviating').

That said, one wonders if EASA will offer the same facility (i.e. to return) to those who've maybe moved their licenses over to the UK CAA?
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Old King Coal View Post
That said, one wonders if EASA will offer the same facility (i.e. to return) to those who've maybe moved their licenses over to the UK CAA?
Unlikely:
- the UK decided to leave the level playing field;
- the UK wants to continue making use of the level playing field it created in days gone by;
- the UK does not have (as unable to while still in level playing field) new procedures for current level playing field players;
- what would be CAA gain in offering this facility? Continued flights beyond the ever so close Brexit date, until new procedures can be established.
- what would be EASA gain in doing so? Nothing...

Personally, I do think all EASA licence holders should be offered the opportunity to get an additional new UK licence, not just those holding UK issued EASA licences or operating UK registered aircraft.
This to ensure all current pilots working in UK on non-UK registered aircraft retain access to their local aviation market.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 09:58
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Originally Posted by Old King Coal View Post
Of course... it is after all the CAA ('Cash And Aggravation' or 'Cancel All Aviating').

That said, one wonders if EASA will offer the same facility (i.e. to return) to those who've maybe moved their licenses over to the UK CAA?
One has to question: does EASA offer that to any other third country? I don't think so, therefore it does seem unlikely. After all, the UK wants to diverge from, not converge with european rules and regulations, that is the whole purpose of leaving.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 21:56
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And one wonders:

Why will an EASA UK issued license be not valid after a no-deal Brexit right away? After all it complies with all EASA rules...
Different story is to revalidate/renew it, or add new type ratings, but in the meantime should be legal.

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Old 12th Mar 2019, 22:41
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Originally Posted by fdgolf View Post
And one wonders:

Why will an EASA UK issued license be not valid after a no-deal Brexit right away? After all it complies with all EASA rules...
Different story is to revalidate/renew it, or add new type ratings, but in the meantime should be legal.

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Well, because the authority having oversight of that license is no longer under the authority of EASA of course. As the UK wants to diverge from EU regulations, and without a withdrawal agreement that regulates how stuff will continue after the brexit deal, it can do so immediately and actually does so immediately as any mention of EASA in the relevant copied over laws will vanish, there is no assurance that the CAA as the NAA overseeing that license still complies with EASA rules past the 29th of march. The EU and its agencies are very much rule based organizations, which is something many people constantly underestimate in its importance.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:59
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Well, because the authority having oversight of that license is no longer under the authority of EASA of course. As the UK wants to diverge from EU regulations, and without a withdrawal agreement that regulates how stuff will continue after the brexit deal, it can do so immediately and actually does so immediately as any mention of EASA in the relevant copied over laws will vanish, there is no assurance that the CAA as the NAA overseeing that license still complies with EASA rules past the 29th of march. The EU and its agencies are very much rule based organizations, which is something many people constantly underestimate in its importance.
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Thanks for your clear reply, I do agree with it from the legal point of view, but do think about two words I said: right away. Where does right away begin or end? March 31st, 00:01? A week later? 2 weeks later...?
I would say whenever a legal change on licensing regulation happens, or whenever the particular license needs to be revalidated, whatever happens first!

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Old 15th Mar 2019, 08:26
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Originally Posted by fdgolf View Post
Denti'
Thanks for your clear reply, I do agree with it from the legal point of view, but do think about two words I said: right away. Where does right away begin or end? March 31st, 00:01? A week later? 2 weeks later...?
I would say whenever a legal change on licensing regulation happens, or whenever the particular license needs to be revalidated, whatever happens first!

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The problem with that is, that the EASA would have to react on legal procedures within a third country in hindsight. They do so if needed, however, if one can clearly see a defined date they have to use that date. There is actually no wiggle room for them, except if the commission proposes some changed laws and the EU parliament (and EU council if needed) approve it. Which happened to a few things pertaining aviation, but not for flight crew licenses as there is no need and it is not in the interest of the EU. Remember, the UK wants to leave, and EU agencies have to protect the interests of the remaining EU citizens and their businesses, not those in the UK after leaving.

So yes, the logical and only legal date is 29th of March, midnight CEST. As i said, the EU is a deeply rule based society, it has to follow its own rules.

It looks likely that there will be an extension, although that does depend on unanimity between all EU countries, which of course would enforce a different exit date, which then will be the new cutoff point in case of no deal, which is the legally binding default, even though the HoC voted against it, which is of course not binding in any way, there are only two legal ways out of a no deal scenario: withdraw the article 50 application, or sign a deal (aka withdrawal agreement).
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 18:25
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The CAA site still has the 29th as the leaving date this week, didn't the EU provide the U.K with two extension dates last week? Will the CAA provide a revised update / communication or is the 29th still in law?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 18:29
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The CAA site still has the 29th as the leaving date this week, didn't the EU provide the U.K with two extension dates last week?
Yes, but UK parliament still has to change the 'exit law' which says that the UK is leaving on the 29th of March 23.00...
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 15:14
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Anyone know what is actually happening here. I read somewhere that there is an extension. I am still waiting for my Irish license to come through, been 3 months now. I know they are churning them out pretty fast at the moment just the UKCAA taking so long. Can we still fly easa planes.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 18:40
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Yes, you can still fly.

If there is a no deal Brexit, that date, whenever that might be, will be limiting. Currently 23:00 on 12 April is next possibility.
What grips me is the total lack of EASA contingency on licensing. The UK have very clearly stated that they will grant third country validation for non-UK issued EASA licences to fly G Reg. EASA are refusing to do the same and ignoring the fact that Authorities have drowned under a mountain of applications. Well, at least those Authorities with a good reputation for processing routine work using days instead of months as a metric.

To make it worse the Authorities are not really following EASA guidance for mutual recognition of certificates. Primarily medicals being the choke point while the licensing teams wait for medical sign-off. Desk officers in the Authorities working their arse off, operators stressed and policy makers hiding behind the regulations and blaming the Authorities for not resourcing properly.

Rant over.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 21:14
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Originally Posted by Arthur1815 View Post
What grips me is the total lack of EASA contingency on licensing. The UK have very clearly stated that they will grant third country validation for non-UK issued EASA licences to fly G Reg. EASA are refusing to do the same and ignoring the fact that Authorities have drowned under a mountain of applications.
I quite understand the sentiment. But again, the EU, and its agencies, is a deeply rule based system. And in case of a hard brexit the UK is a third country, nothing more, nothing less. Therefore the exact same rules apply to the relationship between the EU and the UK as for example between the EU and Sudan. The EU contingency plans for a hard brexit actually do approve the acceptance of some certificates and licenses, but not aircrew licenses as there is no need for the EU to do so. The EU protects its own interests, and only its own, which does exclude the UK in that case. Responsible airlines have planned for the original brexit day, working closely with the relevant authorities to ensure that the operation can continue, even if a hard brexit would happen, and yes, that does include expedited license transfers. Individual ones might have been put on the backburner for the big businesses, but that is nothing unusual, money talks after all and the licensing authorities in Ireland and Austria for example are companies that have to turn a profit.

That said, EASA does not have the power to approve any third country validation against its own rules (even if it wanted to), that would have to come down from the higher ups, prepared by the commission and voted into law by the european parliament.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 08:42
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Anyone know what the current turnaround time is for a UK to EASA conversion?
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 15:31
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Originally Posted by JliderPilot View Post
Anyone know what the current turnaround time is for a UK to EASA conversion?
Fellows where I work have recently transferred from UK CAA to Spain's AESA in as little as 22 days...

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