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Old 30th Mar 2018, 23:13
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A quick skim of piesupper’s last few posts show just a little bias toward old Mother Russia.

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Old 30th Mar 2018, 23:32
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What about security check after this inspection?
Why was the crew asked to leave the plane? Is it legal?
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 23:52
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SAFA?

Who did the inspection? SAFA? Police? CAA?

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Old 31st Mar 2018, 06:40
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Make sure all your paper work is in order if you are operating to Russia this morning and your aircraft reg starts with a G.

I suspect every British aircraft will be ramp checked.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 07:08
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Nothing new there. Memories of the old Soviet Union.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 07:13
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"Under ICAO, it seems in a number of respects an aircraft is a national of the state in which it is registered."

I have a feeling that trying to explain that to (say) the Met or the FBI would make an entertaining video.....................

You (just) might get an apology from the FO/State Dept about 10 years later
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 07:21
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I have a feeling that trying to explain that to (say) the Met or the FBI would make an entertaining video......
A colleague had a misunderstanding over aircraft, territorial issues and associated authority when dealing with the NY Port Authority Police a few years back......it all worked out OK in the end (i.e. when he agreed with local POV....)...he never got an apology...
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 07:30
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Originally Posted by flaps78
Who did the inspection? SAFA? Police? CAA?
From the link in the very first post:

Aeroflot said that the crew and staff from its London office will additionally inspect the plane after the British police conclude its activities aboard
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 08:12
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Originally Posted by wiggy
A colleague had a misunderstanding over aircraft, territorial issues and associated authority when dealing with the NY Port Authority Police a few years back......it all worked out OK in the end (i.e. when he agreed with local POV....)...he never got an apology...
I know the feeling............
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 08:25
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Originally Posted by Right Hand Thread
A quick skim of piesupper’s last few posts show just a little bias toward old Mother Russia.

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A lot of the SNP faithful get their news/views from RT as it supports Independence (knowing it would weaken UK defences). They reject the BBC as biassed because it does not swallow completely the idea of an independent Scottish nirvana
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 09:59
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Originally Posted by flaps78
Who did the inspection? SAFA? Police? CAA?
BBC is saying:

"What happened on the plane?
The Russian news agency Interfax quoted an unnamed source as saying British "police" had boarded the jet once passengers had disembarked and had "demanded" the crew leave so that they could conduct a search.
The Russian embassy in London said later in a statement that British customs officers had boarded the plane and tried to search it "without the crew being present".
"After an Embassy officer arrived at the airport long negotiations were conducted that allowed to ensure the right of the captain to be take part in the search," it added.
Russia's foreign ministry called it "the next provocation" following the fallout from the Skripal affair.
There was no immediate official British comment on the Russian accusations but London's Metropolitan Police denied its officers had searched a plane arriving from Moscow."

From Spy poisoning: Russia escalates spy row with new expulsions - BBC News
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 12:06
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Border force have coughed and admitted it was them. The tweet of denial from the Met was probably not well thought out, border force, police etc all very similar to Jo public and the media.
UK confirms Russian plane was searched at Heathrow yesterday. Security Minister Ben Wallace: "It is routine for Border Force to search aircraft to protect the UK from organised crime & from those who attempt to bring harmful substances like drugs or firearms into the country."
Why the need to search the aircraft, should they not be searching off loaded pax, bags and cargo? Unless of course something was going to be off loaded at the last minuite

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Old 31st Mar 2018, 12:54
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Border Force work is often intelligence led.

Just saying!
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 13:36
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Originally Posted by 4468
Border Force work is often intelligence led.

Just saying!
First post I've ever seen with the words "Border Force" and Intelligence" in the same sentence without the words "lacking"
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 13:47
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Originally Posted by polax52
It sounds to me like you're on the wrong side?
O, American Savior, please tell us which side is the good one
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 16:04
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Why should a Border Force inspection be seen as “acting tough”? Every turnaround in US involves an inspection, crew not alllowed on board until they say so. Ditto lots of places. And at no point has it been been a subject of diplomatic protest from any side.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 17:16
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Canada plays these games, they even like to hide little items to see if we can find them when we search the cockpit and sign off on it before returning to the states.
I hope all the tuff talking Brits are ready to sign up theirs youngsters for a big nasty fight when the SHTF. Don’t count on the yanks this time around, we’re not really interested in wrestling bears.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 17:22
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I hope all the tuff talking Brits are ready to sign up theirs youngsters for a big nasty fight when the SHTF. Don’t count on the yanks this time around, we’re not really interested in wrestling bears.
Haha

I don’t remember you yanks having the stomach for many (legal) fights, unless and until you get caught with your knickers round your ankles, as you did in Pearl Harbour!

If you think the use of chemical weapons on the streets of a NATO ally, is not a reason for us all to respond appropriately, then frankly there seems little else to say!
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 17:43
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Cappt: I think you will find the Tuff Talking Brits had been signing the youngsters up for 3 years before you turned up last time.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 18:48
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Originally Posted by cappt
I hope all the tuff talking Brits are ready to sign up theirs youngsters for a big nasty fight when the SHTF. Don’t count on the yanks this time around, we’re not really interested in wrestling bears.
Yep, you're going to be busy with Civil War Part 2.
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