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How not to evacuate a plane

Old 29th Mar 2018, 20:52
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How not to evacuate a plane

A female passenger fell from a plane to the tarmac during an emergency evacuation at Budapest airport on March 23 after smoke filled the cabin, but it was later determined the smoke was not from the plane.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...door-of-plane/
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 09:43
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Is this plausible?

Attila Farkas, the chief executive officer of the Travel Service operating the Smart Wings flights, confirmed the incident. He said that the cause of the problem was that the engine of the vehicle pulling the plane was turned on right before they started to do the manoeuvre. It was cold, and given that it is an old, diesel-powered vehicle, the immense smog produced could easily fill the cabins.
Read more at: https://dailynewshungary.com/evacuat...e-in-ferihegy/
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 09:53
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It was a charter flight operated on behalf Israir, filled with Israeli vacatoners returning home. As I'm sure all my Israely friends would nod in agreement, they can be the most unruly and at the same time assertive lot, I can well imagine that as smoke filled the cabin the pax overwhelmed the cabin crew who probably were not at the top of the profession either. (I flew TS once, they exhibited such a degree of unprofessionalism in the cabin that it was a firm never again experience...)
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According to the Israeli report, the captain stated that the smoke was coming from outside. Despite this, the CC opened the doors and deployed the slides. One question: Why?
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 10:34
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panic................
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Agree with Harry.
The smoke probably caused a stampede that the CC were unable to control.
They don't call them cattle-class for nothing.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 12:02
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They don't call them cattle-class for nothing.
I am getting real sick of the privileged few on this forum making derogatory comments about those passengers who chose to or through monetary constraints, sit anywhere other than business or first class.

From what I can tell from these comments is that nobody sitting in business or first class has ever panicked, or been rude or overwhelmed, that those in "Cattle class" couldn't make a whole brain between them and act like morons on every occasion and at all times. Heaven forbid if they purchased an economy seat at a reduced rate because they must be significantly retarded. I wonder how these people function at all.

It must surely be nice to have the privilege of sitting in the "better" seats because you work in a profession where you can purchase them at a much reduced rate because what I can tell from this forum is that no-one working in the aviation industry except a lucky few, could afford the better seats as they are all paid a pittance.
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I have to agree with Andraz above. I did a Israeli charter from London a few years back with a plane full of people off for a religious celebration. Unruly is an understatement, but not in the drunk lout way that is usual for British pax. These families just totally ignored everything anyone said, they were also incredibly nervous about flying, lots of prayers, and I have never been blessed so many times before and after departure. It was a very interesting day out, and I'm wouldn't be remotely surprised if there was mass panic at the first sign of smoke.
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It must surely be nice to have the privilege of sitting in the "better" seats because you work in a profession where you can purchase them at a much reduced rate
I sympathise with your post. Very few pilots or aviation employees would be able or willing to pay the price for Business or First Class seats and travel as a company perk subsidised by full-fare pax. I expect most such full-fare seats are bought on company expenses anyway, with the beneficiaries not forking out their own money.

Back to thread: An unfortunate incident and an extension of the mentality that sees the entire cabin stand on taxi to gain a perceived advantage in the disembarkation queue. There's little that can be done to stifle these idiotic tendencies, I fear.
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There's little that can be done to stifle these idiotic tendencies, I fear.

Assertive cabin crew, with megaphone, standing in the aisle with a strong command of "sit the f#%k down."
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I am getting real sick of the privileged few on this forum making derogatory comments about those passengers who chose to or through monetary constraints, sit anywhere other than business or first class.
Nothing wrong with paying as little as you can/want, but the issue here is not how little they pay but the way they behaved despite the Capt announcement.
Did that lady decide to jump off the plane onto the tarmac by herself? Or maybe she was pushed by the people behind her who couldn't wait to get out?
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 13:38
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There's little that can be done to stifle these idiotic tendencies, I fear.
I found that, providing the cabin crew were seated, a little dab on the brakes before coming onto stand provided a salutary lesson.
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There again, burning Diesel Fuel does smell like burning Jet-A.
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From a fair amount of experience, not badly just observations, Eastern /Central Europeans in uniform tend not to have a problem being assertive. However 4 cabin crew vs 120 or so scared pax isnt good odds is it.

Everyone likes to think-and if a Ppruner , say 'it shouldnt be done like this , or I would never do that but until the moment comes no one knows really what they would do.

If you have a a large group of inexperienced frightened travellers who have neither the airlines home language or English as something you use every day it is very easy to mis understand or panic .

Cd the over heads just be locked in an evac situation (wouldnt have worked here I know ) should the cabin crew be told they should block escape routes when its a false evac ? , long way down from a T7 or 380?

At the end of the day better this than the Saudia 1011 years ago
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Much will depend on the quality of selection & training of CA's.
Questions raised.
First, assuming the reports are correct: Captain makes reassuring announcement that all is OK. Cabin crew open door without command. Why?
Pax exits before slide inflates, assuming it was armed. Wow, that was fast. Pax must have been in aisle of 1st 3 rows, at a guess. Did the pax demand the doors be opened and CA's panic?
To open a B737 door the CA is 'in' the exit. If the pax was in a panic dive before the slide was inflated I'd have thought they would have taken the CA with them.

Many aspects of this, as reported, seem very strange. The lawyers will have a real dilemma where to start. Who shall be the target? The airline will then counter sue. The film should be an interesting story.
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I've heard over the grapevine (but cannot verify) that #1 was already running and it blew the slide over causing the injury. Those in the pointy end were apparently caught unaware of the evacuaton. Have no info on whether the evac was initiated by CC or pax.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 22:03
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Does it make a difference where the smoke originate from? The cabin is contaminated and staying inside may be life threatening...
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Darwin Award material

A classic own goal. The animals and children got restless. A nasty pong from a poorly running tug and the great unwashed educated by Facebook, Twitter and Instagram determined that they will die unless they do something, no matter what anyone with more information says. Expensive mistake.

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A classic own goal. The animals and children got restless. A nasty pong from a poorly running tug and the great unwashed educated by Facebook, Twitter and Instagram determined that they will die unless they do something, no matter what anyone with more information says. Expensive mistake.

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And I suspect, too early for any safety briefing to have been performed?

Years ago I witness a chaotic BA 74 evacuation at JNB during the pre briefing stage and this predated the great unwashed phenomenon.

We tend to forget that many pax travel once or twice in their lifetime, not once or twice a month like many of us unfortunates!
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Does it make a difference where the smoke originate from? The cabin is contaminated and staying inside may be life threatening..
Yes it does make a difference..because going outside through an exit may be even more life threatening....taking a worse case scenario do you want to open a door adjacent to a fire and let more smoke in, or perhaps evacuate onto a burning wing/down a rear slide into a fuel pool behind a burning engine?

In all honesty in the cabin you as an individual probably have little or even no idea as to the level, nature and location of an external threat. Performing a knee jerk “DIY” evacuation can actually raise the level of risk to everybody on board, as seems to have been demonstrated in this case.

There’s a heck of a lot more to a successful evacuation than simply throwing all the doors open..

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