Turkish (private) jet down in Iran
Originally Posted by The Deec
Very true but unfortunately computers are better at flying planes than us weakest link humans are... they are much quicker at identifying tech /inst problems before our small brains can get our heads around a very complicated problem... Add into the mix short rest periods, fatigue, high alt ,flying long sectors through different time zones and you've got a recipe for disaster. There really is no real need for pilots any more when you think about it .
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Don't suppose you could identify these superior problem solving computers... model number or name would be nice. I'd like to learn more about our replacements...
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Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it...
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All they had to do was create a big train set on a very limited rail network. Pretty simple, I would have thought. What's the Unreliable Train Speed drill??
If anything, that shows that pilots will be in the seat for a looong time yet. Better start training pilots to fly aeroplanes again because we ain't goin' nowhere!
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Very true but unfortunately computers are better at flying planes than us weakest link humans are... they are much quicker at identifying tech /inst problems before our small brains can get our heads around a very complicated problem... Add into the mix short rest periods, fatigue, high alt ,flying long sectors through different time zones and you've got a recipe for disaster. There really is no real need for pilots any more when you think about it .
WHY a crew of 3 professionals can´t understand that they just lost the pitots is a different question, one of training IMHO. Especially when the BirginAir and AeroPeru crashes were basically old news and very much accessible news.
I can tell you that we train with an international provider of the highest standards and we had to request this training to get it. EASA thinks its way more important to train one engine out scenarios until the doctor arrives, rather than the deadly stuff that really happens nowadays...
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Bloggs, to be fair: any A/P flies an apporach better than I do, any A/P keeps the speed better, the altitude etcetc.
The rest falls to us animals with skills that are not suitable, basically, and given that we do not to bad I´d say....
The rest falls to us animals with skills that are not suitable, basically, and given that we do not to bad I´d say....
Maybe don't turn this into a thread for "computers and AI vs. pilots"... I'm sure there is a thread somewhere else for that already.
Having just read the report and being familiar with the type of avionics, it is a stark reminder of proper procedures and airmanship. The PIC interrupting the checklist multiple times, forgetting the old but true aviate, navigate, communicate by talking to the passengers instead of dealing with the abnormal situation, completely ignoring the stall protection and stick shaker... It really has shades of the CRJ200 crash in Sweden. Both could have been prevented with an instrument cross check early on and some logical thinking.
As always, hindsight is 20/20, but still... Take a moment to analyze before acting is just so damn important.
Having just read the report and being familiar with the type of avionics, it is a stark reminder of proper procedures and airmanship. The PIC interrupting the checklist multiple times, forgetting the old but true aviate, navigate, communicate by talking to the passengers instead of dealing with the abnormal situation, completely ignoring the stall protection and stick shaker... It really has shades of the CRJ200 crash in Sweden. Both could have been prevented with an instrument cross check early on and some logical thinking.
As always, hindsight is 20/20, but still... Take a moment to analyze before acting is just so damn important.
This and several other accidents comes down to a desire for the cheapest possible training and a desire by the industry to qualify pilots who should not be in the cockpit to reduce costs. It’s not going to change. Cost is king!
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Yes it will change....when you (the industry) has killed enough of your customers.
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However the accident flight was in known wx conditions with active CB cells around.
So pitot icing remains the favorite.
The crew was alerted to instrument differences at 14:31:55 and at 14:39:39 recording ceased. Just about 8 minutes, that`s more than enough time to identify the problem and sort things out would be my thoughts. Am afraid there is nothing in the report that makes me think other than the crew`s failure to cope with instrument malfunction.
The curious thing is that the captain`s remains have not been found/identified. Especially having regard to the facts that the aircraft impacted the ground intact, at low speed, the debris field was not extensive and the victims died of blunt trauma injuries. That seems to be the only question remaining about this particular accident.
