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Turkish (private) jet down in Iran

Old 12th Mar 2018, 15:37
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Looking at the state of the engines it appears that neither were producing power at time of impact. Also the fairly large intact fuselage pieces suggest a relatively low speed.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 15:42
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Speculation can be unwise. However, I wonder if this could be a A380 wake encounter in RVSM airspace. I had one in a b737 some years ago and for a moment the aircraft was uncontrollable. Either way, rip to the victims.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 15:57
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Looking at the state of the engines it appears that neither were producing power at time of impact. Also the fairly large intact fuselage pieces suggest a relatively low speed.
That also can be what happens when the downstream (away from terrain) engines dislodge and hit tailpipe first and stop the fan.

Reading the tea leaves gives a clue about how it hit,not why it hit
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 18:14
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Speculation can be unwise. However, I wonder if this could be a A380 wake encounter in RVSM airspace. I had one in a b737 some years ago and for a moment the aircraft was uncontrollable. Either way, rip to the victims.
The only A380 I see passing the area of the crash around the time of the mishap is UAE37V (aka EK216) going opposite direction on UP574 at FL390. However they passed at 1407Z and according to the FR24 data TC-TRB was level at FL360 until something happened after 1430Z.

Also, I'm thinking that TC-TRB was probably on UT430, not UP574 from reports of the crash site location.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 20:55
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Quote from Kulverstukas post:
"According to the Turkish media, the pilot in his last contact with the control demanded an urgent landing after the departure of the aircraft, and this request was registered. "

According to the press reports I have read, the crew reported technical problems and requested a descent. It was shortly thereafter that a loss of speed, rapid descent and loss from radar seems to have ocurred.
Reading the version posted by Kulver, it does not seem to read quite right. In as much that an urgent landing was requested after departure. They were in the cruise, an hour or more into the flight, when the accident took place. Perhaps this is due to linguistics.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 23:11
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Originally Posted by Kulverstukas View Post
According to the Turkish media, the pilot in his last contact with the control demanded an urgent landing after the departure of the aircraft, and this request was registered.
Does not correspond to the Iranian Statement I quoted above.

They were in cruise and asked to descend, whereafter the radar contact was lost at FL320.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
Also, I'm thinking that TC-TRB was probably on UT430, not UP574 from reports of the crash site location.
It was, as was confirmed by the Iranian Authorities.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 16:31
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 19:12
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Local sources are saying the pilot initially requested a climb to FL360 then made some comments about being low on fuel, subsequently requested descent to FL340 and then a rapid descent occurred with communication to FL120 thereafter the rest is history. There is a lot of speculation, however, the lack of coms tends to suggest some sort of pilot incapacitation and locals apparently reported seeing a jet "spinning " i,e stalled. We may never learn the real cause, very sad for such a happy event to end in this manner.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 21:42
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the lack of coms tends to suggest some sort of pilot incapacitation and locals apparently reported seeing a jet "spinning " i,e stalled. We may never learn the real cause, very sad for such a happy event to end in this manner.
This sure sounds speculative without an aviation source of facts
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 22:56
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Perhaps there will be some passenger mobile phone video.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 07:01
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Some colleagues flew there that day and experienced very unstable atmosphere which caused speed shift, beyond the limitation in certain cases
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 08:16
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Not sure where this allegation came from :
Iran denies rejecting permission for emergency landing for crashed Turkish jet
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 08:34
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rotor lock

Some years ago a Pinnicle CRJ suffered engine rotor lock by trying to fly too high. Both engines shut down and could not be restarted. The resulting dead stick landing was fatal. I don't know if the engines came from the same family or if a fix was made for the problem.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 10:00
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Are there any news about the black boxes? Usually the FDR is readable almost immediately...any local news about it? To drop out of the sky during cruise is so strange..smoke in the cabin? You start the descent, call the atc but then you cannot see anything anymore...it is just a thought of course.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 14:13
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Does anybody know why Canadian TSB did not comment or issue any kind of statement regarding this accident ?
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 21:02
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Originally Posted by Anvaldra View Post
Some colleagues flew there that day and experienced very unstable atmosphere which caused speed shift, beyond the limitation in certain cases
Had it not been for the press reports that the crew had reported technical problems before requesting a level change, the above could perhaps have provided some basis for speculation that wheather could have been a factor. If therefore we accept the report of a technical problem as being correct, then I would have thought it would be reasonable to assume the ensuing crash is more likely to have been brought about by that than any other instigating factor in the causal chain of events.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 22:10
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Question

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20180311-0

Here it says they were at FL360 .After 45 min they climbed at FL377 and then the pronounced descent started...I recall I have read something about atc saying the pilots were talking about fuel problems(but I cannot find this info anymore) so the climb could be a need to save fuel for endurance calculations..but an immediate descent after that? why? stall? is it related?
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 06:51
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Originally Posted by SRS View Post
Some years ago a Pinnicle CRJ suffered engine rotor lock by trying to fly too high. Both engines shut down and could not be restarted. The resulting dead stick landing was fatal. I don't know if the engines came from the same family or if a fix was made for the problem.
The problem was fixed when the aircraft hit the ground, thus preventing the crew from performing any further acts of idiocy.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 09:02
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Originally Posted by JB LFPN FLYER View Post
Does anybody know why Canadian TSB did not comment or issue any kind of statement regarding this accident ?
Simple.

Accident investigation protocol is that it's for the investigating state (in this case Iran) to make any statements on the accident unless it chooses to delegate the investigation to another state.

Failing that, any TSB involvement would be as accredited representatives to the investigation, and it would not be expected to make any public comments while it is in progress.
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