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An-148 missing after takeoff from Moscow

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Old 11th Feb 2018, 11:31
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An-148 missing after takeoff from Moscow

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An Antonov An-148 operated by Saratov Airlines and carrying 65 passengers and six crew went missing shortly after take-off from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport, an emergency services source told Russian media.
“The airplane reportedly crashed outside Argunovo village [in the Moscow region],” the source told Interfax news agency. “The crew and passengers had no chance.”

The Russian Emergencies Ministry says it is verifying reports that the An-148 has crashed outside Moscow.

The aircraft departed from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport and was heading for Orsk, a city lying close to the Russia-Kazakhstan

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Weather in Moscow.

Does anyone have a link to Metar and Taf at this airport.
From what I can gather with a quick look at YR.NO it is -4 and light snow.
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Sky news reporting from Flight Radar aircraft was descending 3300 fpm
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metar: uudd 111230z 13005mps 8000 -shsn few008 bkn026cb m05/m07 q1019 r14r/590293 r14l///99// tempo 1200 shsn
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Sky news reporting from Flight Radar aircraft was descending 3300 fpm
from around 6000ft (according to graphs on fr24..)
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for those fluent in russian, might have info
https://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic1739253.html
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 12:28
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Now reporting '71 on board dead as plane breaks apart after takeoff'.
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More video here : russia. liveuamap. com /en/2018/11-february-an148-of-saratov-airlines-crashed-after-takeoff

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Incorrect information removed (Russian Post has no helicopters in their fleet).

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From 6000 feet

This is going to be an interresting one!
At 6000 feet most airliners are established with flaps up and climbing away at 250kts or what ever lower intermediate speed until FL100, Hmmm!

A few observations.
A great looking aircraft , for someone from the Dornier 328TP and JET.
The aircraft is over twice as big.
But the similarity is striking.
Added is : Leading edge slats , Engine revers ( I think) . And flight spoilers!
All something the Dornier lacked and needed in winter Ops runways.

The Aircraft has a good record until now , anyone with any experience with this AC?
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Video shows widely separated smaller pieces of wreckage (including the cockpit section, the largest piece) with individual impact marks in the snow, looks like an in-flight breakup. No sign of the main fuselage / wings / engines in the vicinity of the cockpit.

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Only saw the post re the possible mid-air after posting, it adds up. The cockpit section does look like it was sliced up by the heli rotor blades, hard to imagine other failure modes that neatly shears out a horizontal slice. The source is quoted as Interfax, the official news agency so looks plausible.
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Looks like this is the first crash of the An-148 as an commercial flight
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Don't know what it is with the An-148 speed graphs in FR24. Not only this flight/this plane, but other An-148's produce similar erractic speed graphs. Other (western) a/c departing DME (having similar FR24 coverage) produce normal speeds graphs in FR24. So the erratic speed graph on this flight's FR24 profile, is not an indication of anything abnormal (related to this accident).
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Telegraph:


Interfax also reported that the crash may have been caused by a collision with a helicopter.

"The plane crashed near the village of Argunovo. Passengers as well as the crew could hardly survive," they said.

Eyewitnesses in Argunovo said they saw a burning plane falling from the sky.
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Hitting helicopter!!??

Yes, that will do it!

Anyone: Would a helicopter in Moscow airspace at say 2000 feet or above have to have a Mode C transponder or TCAS.?
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Russian PPRuNe equivalent is up to page 9 now and no better news there other than the widely dispersed wreckage plus first troll video from a passenger seat of flames from an engine.

No comments on a collision from the Russian forum

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Looks like this is the first crash of the An-148 as an commercial flight
Only 32 ever delivered to date.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-148

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratov_Airlines
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The remains of a second aircraft, a helicopter, were found near the crash site. Russian Media are reporting the two aircraft collided in midair.
Crash: Saratow A148 at Moscow on Feb 11tn 2018, midair collision
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