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An-148 missing after takeoff from Moscow

Old 11th Feb 2018, 13:02
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On 5 March 2011, an Antonov An-148 crashed at Garbuzovo, Alexeyevsky Region, Belgorod Oblast, Russia, killing all six crew members. The aircraft was operating a test flight prior to delivery to the Myanmar Air Force. Witnesses reported that a wing had detached from the aircraft while in flight.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 13:09
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Seems, that if it was a helicopter it wasn't one owned by the Russian Post.

www.rbc. ru /rbcfreenews/5a804a6a9a794748ec50a48f?from=newsfeed

(Russian Post stresses they don't have any helicopters in their fleet would be the gist of it).

As usual - too much false information.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 13:14
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Russian media refers to mid-air with Russian Post helicopter which sounds nonsence.. they used to have a couple of copters to serve remote places in Far East Russia but not anywhere near Moscow.

Apparently AN148 does not transmit the speed - so the flightradar24 is inserting the speed calculated from time and position reports.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 13:16
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Originally Posted by damirc
Seems, that if it was a helicopter it wasn't one owned by the Russian Post.
Quite a few pictures have turned up of helicopters with Russian Post branding. Though they don't actually belong to the Russian post, it seems more about semantics than what most would consider a "Russian post" helicopter (a heli painted in typical blue with Russian post written on it) not existing.

Obviously too early to say whether it actually happened, but a modern Antonov coming down in bits seems less likely to be a mechanical failure.
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Why would a helicopter be at 6,000?
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Originally Posted by JCviggen
(a heli painted in typical blue with Russian post written on it) not existing.
First thing I checked was whether they actually had any helicopters - all I can find is photos of a Mi2 that is used in the Far East. Looking at it logically it doesn't really make sense to use helicopters for mail around Moscow (if the post is coming from far it would be on a plane, if it were near - Moscow has more than enough roads). So while it may still have been a helicopter I think it's now likely it was not a helicopter from the Russian Post.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 13:43
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I think the whole "Russian Post" thing started because there's a video out there showing mail bags at the scene. But to my understanding, those mail bags were on the An148
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AP reporting "Russia’s state news agency Tass says the passenger plane that crashed had been flying since 2010, with a two-year break because of a shortage of parts."

There was another An-148 crash in March of 2011. Prelim investigation - structural failure after Vne exceeded.

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Old 11th Feb 2018, 15:40
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it's a well populated area, we would probably see helicopter wreckage by now if it was a collision
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 15:41
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We haven't even seen the main wreckage yet...
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 15:57
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Because apparently "wreckage" is in a circle with a diam of 1000metres.
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RT reporting that pilot had technical problem and was planning to divert to Zhukovsky.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 16:07
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FlightRadar24 has posted updated ADS-B data files on the mishap:

https://blog.flightradar24.com/blog/...ide-of-moscow/

The FlightAware ADS-B data ends at the same time and is generally consistent with the FR24 data.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 16:13
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 16:18
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Its a little worrying in the timescales all the information has been posted.

From hours of having it reported, we had FR24 post aircraft position including the final moments.

I feel that family members will turn to the internet for answers (I.E here), faster than it can be given out officially.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 16:21
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There are lots of Youtube videos, although I haven't seen any particularly informative:
https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=C...h_query=An-148
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News now reports that "captain refused deicing". (Apply a good dose of skepticism to any current "news" though)
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Thanks Kulver!

The piece of wreckage that appears about 15 minutes into the start of the feed looks like a turbine shaft. It had to be something catastrophic to cause such disintegration of an engine (or APU ?) and the bending of the shaft (ground impact alone would not have done that, neither an engine failure). A mid-air still looks plausible.
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