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Old 26th Jan 2018, 23:50
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...and that nicely rounds out the case in that I as both a pilot and a fare paying passenger don't really care whether my pilot flying, is drunk, fatigued, on medication, or on drugs. (Don't mention suicidal)

The test will probably catch it and is not dependent on blood content, time, temperature, amount of sleep or anything else. It only serves to confirm that a level of competency has been achieved in core skills prior to operation.

Whether the tests are 2 minutes, 10 minutes, before first sector, before last sector, short haul, long haul, daily, random or whatever. I think it would be a significant improvement to current procedures.
Old 26th Jan 2018, 23:52
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Originally Posted by roving View Post
This is a useful article. Apologies if it has already been posted. It addresses many of the issues raised here including some EU countries having to relax their zero tolerance laws to accommodate pilots from other EU countries with less strict requirements.


Not commenting one way or the other, but one November afternoon, about 10 years ago, I was in LYS waiting for a delayed flight to LHR.

Delay of a couple of hours, so I thought I'd have a stroll around the terminal to kill time and, being November and Beaujolais Nouveau week and all that that means in that part of the world, I'd go and have a glass or two in the temporary bar erected landside in Terminal 1 for a week or so specifically for sampling that year's crop.

I'd just got started on the second glass when I was suddenly pushed in the back and spilled quite a bit on the floor. Turning around to see who / what was the cause, I suddenly was face-to-face with two glass holding, smiling and very apologetic gents wearing IB uniforms and ID tags - one with four stripes and the other with three stripes on their shoulders.

Of course, they might have just dismbarked and were on their way to a HOTAC somewhere, but if they were they'd obviously forgotten about and left their overcoats and baggage on their just arrived aircraft...
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 00:20
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Whether the tests are 2 minutes, 10 minutes, before first sector, before last sector, short haul, long haul, daily, random or whatever. I think it would be a significant improvement to current procedures.
Imagegear...How would you reconcile the above with the rosters/sectors most of us work these days?

Stick any such test on the start of a flying duty period and it becomes part of that duty period, and could make many ultra long haul sectors or a short haul multi sector days unworkable. By way of an illustration in BA’s case there’s no spare room in the BA T5 area...so if your idea was adopted a pilot would probably have to report to the Hatton Cross training complex (at which point the law demands the duty clock starts running) , do the 2 min/10 min test or whatever it is you are suggesting, then get in his or her car, drive to the crew car park (or take a bus) and head for crew report at T5, possibly via the crew car park ....you’d be adding an hour at the very least onto the front end of duty days and rendering many short haul days rosters and Long Haul sectors unworkable.......it is simply not going to happen.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 00:36
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Lol, imagine an LCL sticking a sim everywhere. Stupidest idea I've ever heard.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 00:42
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After the pre-flight SIM can we reasonably expect to see a small annex alongside every hospital operating theatre where a surgeon will, under the watchful eye of a professor of surgery, carry out a short procedure to prove his/her fitness?

Then, after that, we have the railways, the merchant marine, bus depots and so it goes. How about a mini court room off to the side of the main courts where barristers can answer some questions on law and respond to a few choice quotes from an 'accused' or their witness?
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 05:01
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Unlike some of my "colleagues"

I can't be bothered trying to reply reasonably, as I see others have, but to no avail.


Please stop posting. Your comments and suggestions are some of the stupidest I've ever heard.

(Wont help, I know, but I feel better now)
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 12:24
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Originally Posted by ImageGear View Post
Personally, I would prefer to see an outright ban on the consumption of any alcohol or medication except for very minor ailments, not less than 48 hours before flight.

Interestingly, perhaps thought should be given to introducing carefully designed, short simulator sessions that could reveal functional and mental shortcomings immediately before every flight. They need not be longer than 10 minutes or so, and if failed, require either a follow up blood test or a programme of retraining. I am aware that this could introduce some serious delay if actioned but the alternative of letting someone loose while incapacitated is unthinkable.

There would, as always, be a cost to be carried, but the airlines could well benefit from an increased level of passenger confidence.
You've clearly never been blessed with a 24 hour layover then...
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 16:21
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As a member of SLF, paying up to £100 for an airline ticket, I am fully entitled to expect and demand 100% concentration from pilots at the peak of their abilities.

Pre-flight simulator checks are a start, as are mandatory alcohol and drug tests, and I suggest a short interview with a specially trained mental health professional before every flight. However, this does not address the issue of pilots making lifestyle choices which may have a negative effect on their abilities; and therefore my safety - I think you’ll agree this is utterly unacceptable.

I suggest that pilots should be forced to wear an activity tracker and body camera for at least the preceding 48 hours before every flight. Also every stool should be sampled for evidence of unhealthy or unbalanced diet.

Personal relationships must be subject to external examination and approval, and any sexual activity carefully monitored.

Then, and only then, would I be confidently prepared to put my safety in their hands.

I realise there is a cost implication to all this, but I am sure most pilots would be happy to pay for this themselves, representing as it does a small price to pay for the benefit of having people like myself as their passengers.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 16:33
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That's your famous English sense of humour, I hope....
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 17:06
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or even irony...
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 19:51
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Twelve pages of enlighted opinion.

Why don't we wait and see what happens to the poor individual?
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