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Old 20th Jan 2018, 13:55
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Again ... endangerment would involve some sort of danger ... I'm pretty sure that having a vacuum cleaner in your bag is not actually dangerous.
At least one news source stated - "Port Authority police charged the nine crew members with conspiracy, creating a public false alarm and interference with transportation. Everyone involved was released and are expected to face the charges in Essex County court at a later date." I'd say pulling a false fire alarm would create danger. Don't see this as being much different.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 04:01
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Nothing about filming in a protected zone? Or entering a protected zone with a false intention?
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 09:22
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Tom Carter, TSA’s federal security director for New Jersey, said Friday in a statement. “There is simply no excuse for trying to do something like this knowing it had the great potential to cause panic with the intention of turning that panic into a reality show..."
This isn't really a source for the original quote - it does not state that the accused had admitted their intention was to cause and film panic, and could simply be Tom Carter's interpretation of their intent.

TV film crew busted with fake bomb at Newark Airport - NY Daily News

Actually has some more details and also contains roughly the original quote, but merely ascribes it to unnamed "sources".

I can believe a TV show trying to test airport security or film TSA reaction, I am not sure I believe a TV show aiming to film a mass panic that they deliberately trigger - I cannot see how you can possibly get broadcastable TV out of it (either you film an orderly evac in which case it's boring, or you film chaos distress and injuries that you have admitted causing on film, which will be way over the line for most viewers and will be perfect evidence to bankrupt you in inevitable lawsuits). But the main thing I can't believe is that anyone could possibly be stupid enough to admit this intention to investigators, or that any lawyer would advise them to do so - unless this is already wrapped up in a plea deal (and the admission is part of that). We'll see.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 09:32
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Slight aside I was in a major airline for some time in the 90's responsible for the provision/training of screening equipment and subsequent testing. What I find depressing is I see little evidence of much improvement of the equipment and even less in the staff working.

Maybe someone can update me with positive information of improvement?
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 13:00
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I believe the real panic the TV crew were attempting to induce involves demonstrated proof of the previously mentioned (classified) TSA test scores, 60 Minutes style. Oh, and obviously, they were betting on getting through with no alarms, no drama.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 15:10
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Originally Posted by infrequentflyer789
could simply be Tom Carter's interpretation of their intent.

But the main thing I can't believe is that anyone could possibly be stupid enough to admit this intention to investigators, or that any lawyer would advise them to do so - unless this is already wrapped up in a plea deal (and the admission is part of that). We'll see.
To your first point, that could be what TSA is pressing Essex County to look at. Believe 2C:33-3 is one relevant NJ Statute but the wording is open to some interpretation in that did the crew actually initiate a false report or warning. There are False Alarm statues everywhere.

To your second, did they act out of stupidity or with intent to prove a point that's already been publicly proven by other organizations - namely TSA needs some improvement.

Like you say, there's a lot of legal manuevering to come. But, if being filmed for a 'reality' show rather then a news exposé, I'd suspect the intent was not simply to document a weakness.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 13:35
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Originally Posted by paperHanger
Book thrown at them? For having something that the security team decided "looked like a bomb"?

Without a threat, I doubt that "having something that someone thinks might be a bomb" is actually an offence ... you are of course quite right that their actions were at least stupid, but I very much doubt they will receive anything more than a few sharp words.
If you were a terrorist group looking to down a plane, your first steps may be to test airport security with non-threatening objects that model your real devices.

How would you suggest we respond when such trials are uncovered?

As I asked before, who were their target audience?
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 13:43
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This is a major controversial perhaps criminal event. It needs covering by a TV crew, even from the same station. How wonderfully cannibalistic.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 16:04
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Originally Posted by jack11111
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"One of those arrested said they also hoped to start a panic and film that. Complete disregard of the harm this could have caused. I hope the authorities call it terrorism and throw the book at them."

Do you have a source for that?
Here you go:
TV crew tries to pass fake bomb through airport security | National Post
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 16:27
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As I asked before, who were their target audience?
Apparently this is the TV show:

"Staten Island Hustle" is set to debut in the spring. It follows a group of friends from the New York City borough looking for "far-fetched" ideas for products and investments
I cannot see how causing a panic and filming it (which they are alleged to have admitted was their intent) can possibly be any sort of product or investment, however far-fetched.

Apparently (according to more recent news articles) the device was supposed to be some sort of vacuum-pack luggage, which presumably shrinks the space your clothes take so you can fit in the vacuum / "bomb" bits. It'll still weigh the same though, or rather it'll weigh more due to the vacuum kit, and weight is kind of important for air travel. So it is far-fetched to the point of being obviously useless, which sounds like it would fit the show rather well.

Another possibility of course is that the "show" is in fact a front for real terrorists doing a test-run. Doubtful, but nonetheless possible.

Either way I still don't see how the "cause panic with the intention of turning that panic into a reality show" fits in, but it must do because obviously the TSA wouldn't be lying to the public...
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 16:46
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Either way I still don't see how the "cause panic with the intention of turning that panic into a reality show" fits in, but it must do because obviously the TSA wouldn't be lying to the public...

In house, in studio chat show, or equally stupid game show. Fire alarms sounds plus fake smoke etc. etc. Camera crews at the ready; guests scrambling over the rows of chairs and trampleling all before them. Fire crews attend and are told it is a training scenario. etc. etc. Job done with minimum disruption to general public.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 19:38
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some sort of vacuum-pack luggage
What is the TSA's procedure when they encounter vacuum-packed items? (Probably classified) Because of the need to re-vacuum the bag, they might be relying on the TSA's hesitancy to unpack for examination items stored using this method. Wave goodbye to that.
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Originally Posted by EEngr
What is the TSA's procedure when they encounter vacuum-packed items? (Probably classified) Because of the need to re-vacuum the bag, they might be relying on the TSA's hesitancy to unpack for examination items stored using this method. Wave goodbye to that.
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Vacuum sealed clothes bags are allowed but not encouraged. If they alarm, we may need to open them for inspection.
Meanwhile, the producer, Endemol, a (mostly) reality TV program developer based in the Netherlands had this to say:

"On January 18, some cast and crew members of an upcoming series, ‘Staten Island Hustle,’ produced by Left Hook Media and Endemol Shine North America for air on CNBC Primetime, were detained at Newark Airport. The team was producing an episode about a new product, vacuum compression luggage, which allows travelers more room for clothing and has no other intended use. Unfortunately, there appears to have been a misunderstanding, and we regret any inconvenience to TSA and other authorities on the ground for complications that may have been caused.”
Sounds like an after the fact apology from the legal department.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 00:29
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Originally Posted by vapilot2004
The team was producing an episode about a new product, vacuum compression luggage, which allows travelers more room for clothing and has no other intended use.
Let me think about this - 9 men needed to 'market' a new product for use on a reality show - maybe a frequent flyer reality show? Shark tank would have been a better option. Apology leaves a bit to be desired. If that's the best the company can do, I'd guess Endemol has said you guys are pretty much on your own...
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 08:46
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I know that in general TV around the world has reached some pretty low points, but making a reality TV show based around a luggage vacuum device defies any kind of rational logic even in the TV world. I call BS.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 11:14
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9 men was the cast and camera crew I think. The "reality" show apparently follows a group of "investors" - I don't think you could make a reality show about a group of people going on Shark Tank, for a start you'd have an argument over which show owns the rights to footage and that's before you get to who controls the script...

The apology just looks like something that's been run through legal first, unlike the script/plan for the show.

The more interesting thing is that if the explanation is correct (and from news photos of the "device" it looks much much more like a pump and vacuum plumbing than a timer / pressure switch and explosive) where the heck did the TSA's statements like "cause panic with the intention of turning that panic into a reality show" come from?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 12:37
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I am quite sure that an agency would not differentiate between something seen as a viable device or a device which is benign. The procedures and actions following recognition of a potential threat must be identical.

Post discovery, discussion regarding the intent of the crew becomes academic since it was obviously their intention to deceive at the outset. If it were any individual passenger attempting the same subterfuge, one's feet would not touch the floor.

Embarrassment of a government agency plays no part here, when the crew set out, they very effectively labelled themselves as a legitimate target. The officials are armed and fully aware of potential life threatening encounters. The crew were fortunate not to be taken down.

A period of incarceration for all parties from the top down should be de facto for this idiotic attempt at getting ratings.
 
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And, place all of them on the no-fly list.
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