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Pegasus Airlines Boeing 737-800 TC-CPF overrun runway at Trabzon. All pax okay

Old 17th Jan 2018, 00:30
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Originally Posted by FCeng84
It is curious to me that the tracks across the grass from where the airplane apparently departed the runway pavement to the edge of the down-sloping bank seem to be very straight.
Particularly since the Capt allegedly said (reported on another site) that the "right hand engine accelerated when the aircraft was already off the left edge or the runway." If true, I should think they would be in the drink.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 01:09
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The only smoking gun being the combined pilot testimony to the prosecutor !
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 06:43
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Grossly simplifying it ...and in general ... Inop is allowed because the thrustreversers are technically an 'extra'.
Inop is not the issue, but one single T/R inop. Russia expliciltly banned it after the S7 Accident in Irkutsk, it´s either both or none.

Not because it is a general issue as a single event, but it can bite you if something else goes wrong.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 08:09
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Has the jet been removed yet? Is there pics of it?
Just wondering how they'll get that up in one piece and fly it out?
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 08:17
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That wont be flying out, very surprised if its not a write off.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 12:50
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It was confirmed on FS that if perform landing with TOGA armed and one reverse inop AT will not switch off even with difference in throttles positions.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 14:21
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Originally Posted by Kulwin Park
Has the jet been removed yet? Is there pics of it?
Just wondering how they'll get that up in one piece and fly it out?

Some advice:

1) Take another look at the photos, particularly the one with the engine lying in the sea.

2) Re-read your post.

3) Quietly leave this thread and hope nobody else noticed.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 14:23
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Thanks kulverstukas.
If that is what happened here, that would certainly warrant an AD. However, the Turks don’t adhere to Annex 13, and it is doubtful we will hear anything again about this accident.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 15:44
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It was confirmed on FS that if perform landing with TOGA armed and one reverse inop AT will not switch off even with difference in throttles positions.
TOGA "armed" ? Auto throttle armed and TOGA selected? please explain the config, thanks
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 19:09
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I saw the Video, it appears to be an approved full flight simulator. Turkish Training Captain, talking through the actions and achieving the same result, off the side at slow speed.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 21:04
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Any link ?
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 21:23
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Warning nr 1, 2018

This is warning nr 1 from Murphy.
What a spectacular hint!
The fact that they all crawled away, is in my book symbolic!

The CAAs of the world and NTSBs alike must take note.
I did mention with regards to no fatalities on large passenger jet transport in 2017 that I find it amassing, considering what goes on every day and the falling quality of operating crew and regulatory incompetence.That we do not have weekly hull losses and monthly fatal ones!

I am afraid 2017 was just a statistic hick up.

Anyway
I bet my right hand engine at V1 that IceMan and Goose messed it up.
IF one engine had an Inop reverser , for sure.
It is no big deal, but has a few potential pitfalls as duely demonstrated.
As I have mentioned the Old Girl is a performer, but if not treated right the will slap and leave you in tears.
One thing , she is fast. Was this a F40 or did they do a normal F30 landing.

Standing by for next warning.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 21:53
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Originally Posted by sonicbum
Any link ?
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 21:53
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Looks rather farcical to me. http://www.facebook.com/story.php?st...786678864&_rdr
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 23:33
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Originally Posted by RVF750
off the side at slow speed.

That sim video was not a low speed excursion.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 01:53
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Originally Posted by OnTheNumbers
First Officer is pf, weather is at minimums. They are expecting to see the runway at minimums. At minimums they see the runway and the first officer disangages the autopilot but at the same time he presses the toga buttons. Captain takes over and lowers the nose and retards both thrust levers to idle, they land at idle thrust and aircraft was dispatched with one reverser inop. The captain deploys the thrust reverser of the left engine and releases the right engine. Since he hadn't disconnect the auto throttle right engine goes to TOGA thrust. Aircraft starts to accelerate and skids off the runway from the left. Right engine saparates. All passengers evacuate the aircraft from the rear door. No smoke in the cabin no injuries.
I suspect Boeing pilots are all nodding their heads and saying: 'Yep, that'll do it.' The Non-Boeing pilots are the ones pushing theories without having a clue how a Boeing works.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 05:34
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Originally Posted by Kulwin Park
Has the jet been removed yet? Is there pics of it?
Just wondering how they'll get that up in one piece and fly it out?
Maybe they will try to do it today:

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Advancing any throttle and flaps in ldg position would mean an unsafe T/O alert.
Wouldn't it?
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 09:05
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The captain deploys the thrust reverser of the left engine and releases the right engine. Since he hadn't disconnect the auto throttle right engine goes to TOGA thrust.

I doubt you're be able to select TR's with TOGA still engaged; both technically, i.e. various lock outs, and the left TL trying to go to TOGA and you holding it against the clutches.

Hm? Not sure about the theory.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 09:19
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Originally Posted by gearlever
Advancing any throttle and flaps in ldg position would mean an unsafe T/O alert.
Wouldn't it?
Yes:
Takeoff configuration warning is armed when the airplane is on the ground and either or both forward thrust levers are advanced for takeoff. Takeoff configuration warning activates if:
• trailing edge flaps are not in the flaps 1 through 25 takeoff range.
If you watch the simulator reconstruction of the event (posted above), you can see that after touchdown, the PF removes his hand from the Right Thrust Lever to deploy the Left Thrust Reversor (the Right Thrust Reversor is inop). Because TOGA had been inadvertently selected and the Autothrottle was still engaged, as soon as the PF’s hand came off the Right TL, the Right TL advanced to TOGA Thrust and the Takeoff Configuration Warning activated.
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