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really guys? making this a Ryanair issue? I tend to believe that THIS pax would may have done the same thing with any other carrier.
dont get me wrong, FR is by far not near the place u wanna end up, but I have never seen their underpaid crew to let a behavior like that happen for good.
dont get me wrong, FR is by far not near the place u wanna end up, but I have never seen their underpaid crew to let a behavior like that happen for good.
Nobody is making this a Ryanair issue - it's a crew communications issue.
Doubtless RYR have lots of crews who wouldn't have let a situation like this develop, and other airlines quite possibly have some who would have done.
Doubtless RYR have lots of crews who wouldn't have let a situation like this develop, and other airlines quite possibly have some who would have done.
Airline/crew should be charged with unlawful detention!
It's the best answer for calm and serendipity on one's own aircraft I'd have thought.
But if the reason is "someone else in my company has screwed up" I can imagine personnel managerial considerations may (depending on the corporate culture of the airline) force their way into a captain's brain.
I'm writing as SLF; I'd prefer a captain to say "sorry, my colleagues on the ground have fouled up" if that is indeed what has happened. I'm less likely to complain about an airline that permits that than one that tries to cover it up. I'm even less likely to complain if the pilot is telling me that the airport / some other airline / ATC / whoever has fouled up.
I've no idea why this particular flight was stuck on the ground doing nothing all that time; but as a passenger I'd be making my own conclusions from the silence coming from the cockpit. Especially if the aircon had been switched off on a hot day so that the pilot didn't exceed his/her company's miserly fuel allowance.
But if the reason is "someone else in my company has screwed up" I can imagine personnel managerial considerations may (depending on the corporate culture of the airline) force their way into a captain's brain.
I'm writing as SLF; I'd prefer a captain to say "sorry, my colleagues on the ground have fouled up" if that is indeed what has happened. I'm less likely to complain about an airline that permits that than one that tries to cover it up. I'm even less likely to complain if the pilot is telling me that the airport / some other airline / ATC / whoever has fouled up.
I've no idea why this particular flight was stuck on the ground doing nothing all that time; but as a passenger I'd be making my own conclusions from the silence coming from the cockpit. Especially if the aircon had been switched off on a hot day so that the pilot didn't exceed his/her company's miserly fuel allowance.
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Really? Are the crew not being detained also? They can’t get off and it is not caused by them.
The Captain can’t just blame another department in the airline the real cause is not always obvious.
This passenger for reasons unknown has acted irrationally. Is the engine running ? Clearly they didn’t think through what they were going to do when they ran out of wing to walk along. Even if they jumped then what ?you are on the apron and are likely to be arrested. Where is the exit hatch? What delay will the subsequent passengers suffer? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the next sector/s were cancelled.
There may well be a medical reason why this passenger acted the way they did.
The Captain can’t just blame another department in the airline the real cause is not always obvious.
This passenger for reasons unknown has acted irrationally. Is the engine running ? Clearly they didn’t think through what they were going to do when they ran out of wing to walk along. Even if they jumped then what ?you are on the apron and are likely to be arrested. Where is the exit hatch? What delay will the subsequent passengers suffer? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the next sector/s were cancelled.
There may well be a medical reason why this passenger acted the way they did.
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Communication yes.
Apparently this particular passenger is asthmatic and asked the crew that “he needed to take some air”
He literally did it after not a single one (of the crew) took interest in him
Apparently......
Apparently this particular passenger is asthmatic and asked the crew that “he needed to take some air”
He literally did it after not a single one (of the crew) took interest in him
Apparently......
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Medical reasons may be behind this.
Ryanair passenger jumps out of emergency exit 'after suffering asthma attack' | Metro News
Ryanair passenger jumps out of emergency exit 'after suffering asthma attack' | Metro News
Why are you all assuming that the crew did not inform the pax of the reason for the delay?
The fact that a person is willing to open an emergency exit and try to climb down off a wing strongly suggests that he was not acting rationally.
There may well have been a PA or a sequence of PAs from the flightdeck and Cabin Crew which were either not heard or were not understood by the pax generally, or this specific pax.
I was once stuck in a UK airport after arriving late. We could not disembark because there was no ground crew, no chocks and no open terminal door. The aircraft on the stand to our right then started to board through the hitherto closed terminal door. Aside from chasing the handlers every few minutes, I made countless sympathetic and apologetic PAs explaining carefully the reasons for the delay. That did not stop a well-spoken English man who had presumably the faculties to hear and intelligence to understand the reasons for the delay, from standing by the open cockpit door pouring personal abuse on me for what he regarded as an unreasonable refusal to allow him to disembark and wander around the apron. If a man like that could act so unreasonably whilst in full receipt of the reasons for a delay, why are you quick to assume that no PAs were made?
And on countless other occasions I have made a number of explanatory PAs to pax only to receive a ding from the Purser to inform me that pax were getting angry and couldn't understand why we hadn't departed or disembarked. Equally, I had a flight last week to Copenhagen where a note was passed to me from a disembarking pax to thank me and the crew for a lovely flight. There were thanks from most other disembarking pax and no complaints. We were over an hour late and I had carefully explained the reasons throughout the flight. So, I agree, keeping people informed can work - but sometimes pax do crazy things or ignore everything said to them.
What you have to understand is that airlines like Ryanair carry vast numbers of pax who do not speak the language in which the PAs are conducted; they do not listen to safety demos; they routinely stand up and try to disembark before the aircraft is even on stand.
The fact that a person is willing to open an emergency exit and try to climb down off a wing strongly suggests that he was not acting rationally.
There may well have been a PA or a sequence of PAs from the flightdeck and Cabin Crew which were either not heard or were not understood by the pax generally, or this specific pax.
I was once stuck in a UK airport after arriving late. We could not disembark because there was no ground crew, no chocks and no open terminal door. The aircraft on the stand to our right then started to board through the hitherto closed terminal door. Aside from chasing the handlers every few minutes, I made countless sympathetic and apologetic PAs explaining carefully the reasons for the delay. That did not stop a well-spoken English man who had presumably the faculties to hear and intelligence to understand the reasons for the delay, from standing by the open cockpit door pouring personal abuse on me for what he regarded as an unreasonable refusal to allow him to disembark and wander around the apron. If a man like that could act so unreasonably whilst in full receipt of the reasons for a delay, why are you quick to assume that no PAs were made?
And on countless other occasions I have made a number of explanatory PAs to pax only to receive a ding from the Purser to inform me that pax were getting angry and couldn't understand why we hadn't departed or disembarked. Equally, I had a flight last week to Copenhagen where a note was passed to me from a disembarking pax to thank me and the crew for a lovely flight. There were thanks from most other disembarking pax and no complaints. We were over an hour late and I had carefully explained the reasons throughout the flight. So, I agree, keeping people informed can work - but sometimes pax do crazy things or ignore everything said to them.
What you have to understand is that airlines like Ryanair carry vast numbers of pax who do not speak the language in which the PAs are conducted; they do not listen to safety demos; they routinely stand up and try to disembark before the aircraft is even on stand.
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Why are you all assuming that the crew did not inform the pax of the reason for the delay?
ALERT: The Ryanair flight was initially delayed one hour at London Stansted and 30 minutes further at Malaga with passagers on board without any explanation from the crew.
And suddenly you accept journalist reports as being correct? Will you be shocked and traumatised by the next Daily Mail "Death plummet from 10,000 feet" headline too?
As I carefully set out in my long post: Pax do not necessarily listen to or understand English PAs. There may well have been PAs and a journalist account is not how you find out!
As I carefully set out in my long post: Pax do not necessarily listen to or understand English PAs. There may well have been PAs and a journalist account is not how you find out!
Perhaps because it was reported as such?
I’ve been suprised just how uncommunicative some flight crew can be, but OTOH like others here I know I’ve made PAs around/during delays and then still heard the grumbles about “not being told anything” from some pax when we finally got around to disembarking people.....
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Mikehotel152 and wiggy, I simply answered the question "why are you all assuming". It certainly didn't require your tirade, thank you! Just as an aside, I fly roughly 60 to 70 sectors a year. The great majority of Captains are chatty and keep pax informed about delays etc. However, one does from time to time get Captain Grumpy (or whatever) who keeps mum throughout. Additionally some carriers (such as Ryanair) employ many foreign nationals. Whilst some may just about be able to scrape through ICAO r/t communications they possibly may not feel confident enough to make PA announcements requiring a little more than the norm.
No, I don't ever believe what I read in the press but that is irrelevant. As I said, I simply answered the question, i.e., it was "reported" as such.
No, I don't ever believe what I read in the press but that is irrelevant. As I said, I simply answered the question, i.e., it was "reported" as such.
But isn't it as clear as the nose on my face that this delay shows that the aircraft did not have a gate assigned - even a remote stand - and therefore the passengers could not leave the aircraft because of the lack of steps (although I know the 738 has front steps built into the a/c!).
Therefore the passenger is liable for personal injury - getting off the wing - and to any aircraft taxying or other airport vehicles in motion .... plus time and costs of refitting the emergency exit.
Whatever the 'reasons' (or lack of them) were or the passenger's personal situation, he should not be 'rewarded' by 'social media fame' and should be shamed and made to pay for the damage and inconvenience caused to other passengers on his flight. And being put on a 'no-fly' list seems quite a good measure as well.
Therefore the passenger is liable for personal injury - getting off the wing - and to any aircraft taxying or other airport vehicles in motion .... plus time and costs of refitting the emergency exit.
Whatever the 'reasons' (or lack of them) were or the passenger's personal situation, he should not be 'rewarded' by 'social media fame' and should be shamed and made to pay for the damage and inconvenience caused to other passengers on his flight. And being put on a 'no-fly' list seems quite a good measure as well.
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Based on the link provide in post #30:
Ryanair passenger jumps out of emergency exit 'after suffering asthma attack' | Metro News
The issue, as described by the passenger sitting next to him, was asthma.
I doubt any notification from the pilot would have changed his behavior.
I think the more general issue is that not everyone can accurately assess whether they will be able to tolerate the strains of flying. And, of course, there are variations from flight to flight in both the strains and the passenger.
In response to several earlier posts: Perhaps he was not a moron, a clown, or irrational. Perhaps through poor planning he simply got in over his head and needed to depart for his own survival.
Ryanair passenger jumps out of emergency exit 'after suffering asthma attack' | Metro News
The issue, as described by the passenger sitting next to him, was asthma.
I doubt any notification from the pilot would have changed his behavior.
I think the more general issue is that not everyone can accurately assess whether they will be able to tolerate the strains of flying. And, of course, there are variations from flight to flight in both the strains and the passenger.
In response to several earlier posts: Perhaps he was not a moron, a clown, or irrational. Perhaps through poor planning he simply got in over his head and needed to depart for his own survival.
