Air France crew detained after passenger complains “not receiving her upgrade”
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The airline should add her Name / DOB / Passport# / etc into their booking system under the 'deny carriage' option, i.e. prevent her from being able to book / buy any ticket with the airline.
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There are two separate issues here: the passenger's complaint, and the Argentinian justice system. Rationally, these shouldn't be conflated. Before blaming the passenger for the treatment of the crew in detainment, posters should know if this was 'special' treatment, or just standard practice for a poor quality police process.
The passenger's complaint has been dismissed by the majority of posters here. It's automatically assumed that her actions were revenge for not getting an upgrade; the concept of finding herself sitting next to a masturbating man does not seem to have gained much traction. I'm not sure why - perhaps because these posters are male and have never been subjected to a non-consensual w4nking experience? For some odd reason, ******s tend to confine the show to a female audience.
Looking objectively at what seem to be the facts, I note that the passenger claims to have reported the man's behaviour. She also seems to have sat out many hours of the flight uncomfortably in a jump-seat. This suggests to me that she really didn't want to sit next to that man, and that the crew were sufficiently aware of this to let her sit in their own accommodation. This further suggests that they had plenty of time to manage the situation such that the female passenger did not have to sit next to the man at any point of the flight. It would hardly be surprising if she objected to having to resume her original seat for landing. It would also be reasonable for her to feel angry with the crew. It was just their bad luck, in that case, that the disgruntled passenger had powerful connections in the destination country, unlike the majority of the other passengers.
If we're leaping to assumptions, mine would be that the AF crew were rude and unhelpful. I have no evidence other than all the AF flights I've been on. I long ago came to suspect that AF employees are trained at the same school that doctors' receptionists attend.
I'm with @Hoss183. They're on my no-fly list.
The passenger's complaint has been dismissed by the majority of posters here. It's automatically assumed that her actions were revenge for not getting an upgrade; the concept of finding herself sitting next to a masturbating man does not seem to have gained much traction. I'm not sure why - perhaps because these posters are male and have never been subjected to a non-consensual w4nking experience? For some odd reason, ******s tend to confine the show to a female audience.
Looking objectively at what seem to be the facts, I note that the passenger claims to have reported the man's behaviour. She also seems to have sat out many hours of the flight uncomfortably in a jump-seat. This suggests to me that she really didn't want to sit next to that man, and that the crew were sufficiently aware of this to let her sit in their own accommodation. This further suggests that they had plenty of time to manage the situation such that the female passenger did not have to sit next to the man at any point of the flight. It would hardly be surprising if she objected to having to resume her original seat for landing. It would also be reasonable for her to feel angry with the crew. It was just their bad luck, in that case, that the disgruntled passenger had powerful connections in the destination country, unlike the majority of the other passengers.
If we're leaping to assumptions, mine would be that the AF crew were rude and unhelpful. I have no evidence other than all the AF flights I've been on. I long ago came to suspect that AF employees are trained at the same school that doctors' receptionists attend.
I'm with @Hoss183. They're on my no-fly list.
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IMHO, the Occam's razor here is quite simple: most probably this spoiled "lady" was extremely arrogant not only to the crew, but to her seatmates too. As always with this kind of bullies, after getting deserved push back they tend to put their tails between their legs and run to complain to a daddy, crew (in this case) etc.
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She also seems to have sat out many hours of the flight uncomfortably in a jump-seat.
Or did she? was she sat on a crew jump seat or a passenger seat designated for crew rest but otherwise a normal economy pax seat?
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If it had been a passenger seat, the passenger would not have been required to go back to her original seat for landing, would she? Therefore it was not a passenger seat, and the passenger was on a jump seat. Are we really discussing the level of discomfort endured in order to judge just how upset the passenger must have been? Is someone going to ask if she was wearing a short skirt or makeup? Has Pprune somehow fallen through a time warp into the 1950s?
From the Nacion shared earlier:
Whatever the AF crew thought of the situation, this is closer to how they should have handled it.
Reports in papers have described the suspected ****** as being 'tall and corpulent'. In other words, a big guy. The cabin crew were faced with having to choose between confronting a big guy or pushing back against a standard-sized woman. I note that most the videos I've seen in recent months of people being dragged off planes by security have involved women or smallish men. Presumably, powerfully built men just behave better on planes.
From the Nacion shared earlier:
The sources stressed that the treatment that Villena (the judge) gave to the case of Air France was "exactly the same" as in the other two events in which he had to intervene within ten days: that of a Colombian passenger on a LATAM flight ( with an Argentinian as an accused, also for masturbating with the woman) and a fitness teacher who reported being groped by another passenger on an American Airlines flight. "In those two cases, the crews made the formal complaints, on both flights, a flight attendant sat down with the victims to accompany them, and the crews made themselves available." Neither LATAM nor American Airlines complained or made any presentation against the procedure, "the spokesmen explained.
Reports in papers have described the suspected ****** as being 'tall and corpulent'. In other words, a big guy. The cabin crew were faced with having to choose between confronting a big guy or pushing back against a standard-sized woman. I note that most the videos I've seen in recent months of people being dragged off planes by security have involved women or smallish men. Presumably, powerfully built men just behave better on planes.
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Well my experience of passengers who book economy and expect an upgrade is obviously very different to yours Pax Britannica.
This woman's reported behaviour fits the mould exactly. Personally I doubt there was a passenger masturbating next to her and I think it all too convenient that there had been a case of a masturbator in the courtvery recently, for the judge and the woman's father to fabricate a suitable story. I doubt we will ever see them but the AF crew's statements would be interesting reading, rather than Argentinian journalists version of them.
This woman's reported behaviour fits the mould exactly. Personally I doubt there was a passenger masturbating next to her and I think it all too convenient that there had been a case of a masturbator in the courtvery recently, for the judge and the woman's father to fabricate a suitable story. I doubt we will ever see them but the AF crew's statements would be interesting reading, rather than Argentinian journalists version of them.
