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Old 28th Sep 2017, 10:32
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Love it!

Because the "Ministry of Procurement" would change the specifications every Friday lunchtime meeting, and by the time the £50b 50-300 seat widebody city-hopper prototype had been nailed together at Warton and sent by road to hawarden to be mated to parts shipped in from china, we'd have a new government to cancel it all.

Edited again, because the quote from the previous post keeps disappearing! Without which this post is meaningless.
Ah, well.

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Old 28th Sep 2017, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Krueger
How's that Brexit working for you now, Theresa?!
We’re in the EU now and that’s done nothing to stop this. How is the EU protecting the interests of one of its member states in all this? Deafeningly silent it seems. So yes, better off out.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 10:52
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Indeed. The EU is noticeable quiet on protecting one of it's member states.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 11:08
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Can we not slap a tariff on RR engine exports to Boeing?
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 11:27
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Whoopee make RR products unaffordable to Boeing customers , how would that help? You don't think Boeing will just suck it up, they will simply pass it on to their customers. Anyway don't airlines buy the engines direct and ask for delivery to Seattle for Boeing to nail to the wings?

RR aren't the only engine fitted to Boeing so if one suddenly becomes more expensive then the other, US, manufacturers will jump with joy!
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 11:38
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So now Delta wil found a Canadian airline which will buy all the C_Series aircraft and wet lease them to Delta creating jobs in Canada instead of the US...
Makes America look dumb again
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Cows getting bigger
Indeed. The EU is noticeable quiet on protecting one of it's member states.

Verhofstadt made time recently to visit the land border in Ireland and assess for himself the illogical plan for a virtual border. People in Northern Ireland voted to remain and over the last sixteen months EU negotiators have consistently spoken up to protect their interests. It is the former Northern Ireland Secretary who campaigned to Leave, worked the phones alongside Duncan-Smith, and travelled on the Brexit Bus, that is noticeably quiet these days.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 12:10
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Originally Posted by sfm818
People in Northern Ireland voted to remain and over the last sixteen months EU negotiators have consistently spoken up to protect their interests.
No they didn't...some of them did. Equally, a fair proportion voted to leave. The referendum was a single constituency vote...so all this talk about this city / region / country voted to leave / remain is nonsense.

Some people in the UK voted to remain, some more voted to leave...that's the result, pure and simple!
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 12:16
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Originally Posted by NWSRG
...some of them did.

Indeed. The majority who voted to Remain. Looking further down the road, on both sides of the border, the solution is obvious.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 13:30
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Some interesting information here:-

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Old 28th Sep 2017, 13:46
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oh no

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Of course Boeing has never received a gumment subsidy. Oh no.
The C135 became the 707, the fans on the C5 galaxy went on to Jumbo jets, The US built civil airliners during WW2 and dumped 1000s of DC3s (C47) on the civil market afterwards,
the US has been supporting Boeing since the 1930s, its a way of life out there.
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Wonder what the US will do with the COMAC C919?
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 13:52
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Originally Posted by Volume
So now Delta wil found a Canadian airline which will buy all the C_Series aircraft and wet lease them to Delta creating jobs in Canada instead of the US...
Makes America look dumb again
Canadian airlines, despite their ownership, cannot operate domestic flights in the USA.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 18:41
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They just need to make an overture to some Southern State, get a few $billion to build an assembly plant, and do 'final' assembly in the States, call them made in the USA, and avoid the whole issue.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 19:02
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canada will do nothing about this because its leadership is weak and ineffective and its industries lack the balls to stand up to bullying.

trump and his people are not stupid, no matter what you think of him. this is a cleverly calculated move by all the involved parties to benefit boeing and the US economy in the long run.

it frustrates the hell out of me that canada continues to allow itself to be outfoxed in the business world. well, when you lack aggression evolution tends to cull you out. we'll see if the leadership grows a pair.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 19:04
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Apart from plying largesse on the relevant politicians, I wonder if Boeing did the same to P&W, to mess up the PW1000G Geared Turbofan, as the string of cockups in its production have impacted Bombardier greatly, as well as Airbus, but not Boeing.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 19:35
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Originally Posted by fireflybob
Some interesting information here:-

Bombardier
Yes, every inch of the aviation industry is subsidised by the taxpayers, one way or another.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 20:21
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trump and his people are not stupid, no matter what you think of him. this is a cleverly calculated move by all the involved parties to benefit boeing and the US economy in the long run.
it's not Trump and his people who are clever in causing this. It's a single manufacturer who is claiming they have been wronged.

Meanwhile Delta and P&W (EH) are hanging out on a limb waiting for this claim to be adjudicated fairly. Trump is smart enough to let the process proceed.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 01:59
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Originally Posted by spargazer
The C135 became the 707, the fans on the C5 galaxy went on to Jumbo jets, The US built civil airliners during WW2 and dumped 1000s of DC3s (C47) on the civil market afterwards,
the US has been supporting Boeing since the 1930s, its a way of life out there.
Nonsense! The C135 was, at best, a cousin to the 707. Different fuselage, engines, etc. The C-5's TF-39 engines are, at best, a predecessor to the CF-6. Designing something for the military, then using the knowledge gained to design civil aircraft isn't a subsidy. The military got value for money.

Now, don't get me started on the real subsidies thru tax breaks, Ex-Im bank loans, etc. Yes, Boeing is subsidized, but not the way you think. And Boeing's subsidies don't allow them to sell under marginal cost.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 02:31
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The C135 was, at best, a cousin to the 707
Agree GF. The two aircraft looked similar to each other, and that was the extent of their similarity. Each built of entirely different spec metals in the airframe, along with what you mention.
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