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TigerAir Taiwan Co-pilot rats out others.

Old 26th May 2017, 07:39
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TigerAir Taiwan Co-pilot rats out others.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/n...isciplines.htm

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Old 26th May 2017, 08:07
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Wouldn't matter a hoot in any decent Airline as you are allowed to have a snooze on the flight deck as long as it is in the cruise and the appropriate procedure is followed.
My longest flight is only four hours but I have a twenty minute snooze about once a month while in the cruise.
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Old 26th May 2017, 13:29
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And if you want to train your FRMS any further, write a fatigue report every time you take a nap.

Guess they don't know about napping in Taiwan.
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Old 26th May 2017, 14:56
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Max to 120hrs a month ... Not surprised some take a nap during cruise ...
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Old 26th May 2017, 16:21
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"Rats out others"....where you from? No Joisie?
I'd prefer the term whistleblower.
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Old 26th May 2017, 17:12
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I have a twenty minute snooze about once a month
Blimey.
I thought my roster was bad.
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Old 26th May 2017, 20:02
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Oh for Heaven`s sake! I used to fly for Big Airways and it used to be called `flight deck rest`. A quick 20 minutes in the cruise and it really set you up for the landing. Had to be `organised` though.
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Old 26th May 2017, 23:47
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B2N2,
No, he is not a whistleblower, he is a rat. You don't do that to a fellow flight crew member.
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Old 27th May 2017, 06:13
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Couldn't agree more TR
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Old 27th May 2017, 06:28
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Agree again.
You don't rat on fellow crew members.
Some folks have no common sense.
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Old 27th May 2017, 09:25
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Well maybe it depends what the isue is. But when in reality, this is a safety issue(ie a quick snooze actually makes a safer operation), it is definitely the wrong thing to do. Especially when(from what I have read) there is no policy in that country for controlled rest on the flight deck.
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Those expressing surprise at a colleague telling tales on another have clearly never flown in Asia.
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Old 27th May 2017, 21:19
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What is good to note is that he was not commended for his actions. But rather reminded that it is the responsibility of BOTH members on the flight deck to be alert and to "whistleblow" (as some prefer) a year later is not of merit.
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One consequence is that now a lot of people know that that Airline is behind the times with safety procedures/philosophy.
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All Taiwanese carriers have the same policy of no 'controlled rest' whilst on duty. FOs and even FAs can and will rat on you.
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Well, Tigerair currently has 92 pilots (-3 disciplined) = 89 - Captains - recent starters = pool of suspects

Not sure that guy can remain anonymous for long!
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Old 29th May 2017, 02:05
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He is a rat, to the core. If a FD crew member is tired I used to encourage them to let the others know they wish "too put their heads down for a bit". that way you wouldn't have 2 or 3 "unfresh" crew, when you may need them most.

It is even more fatiging, battling to stay awake for hour upon end, than having say a 20 to 30 mins or so siesta. When the sleeper has awoken there is at least one "fresh" crew member on the FD.

If your body is crying out for sleep, then let it sleep!! Under a controlled environment I can't see any problem apart from the fact I did tend to dribble from time to time while indulging in controlled rest/unconscious.

Years ago over the South Atlantic I Awoke to find the other 2 crew members still asleep. No we didn't rat on each other BTW.

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B2N2,
No, he is not a whistleblower, he is a rat. You don't do that to a fellow flight crew member.
Yup. This isn't about safety, it's about one-upsmanship. Someone trying to get ahead by stepping on the faces of others.

Power nap? Fine. Rather have you alert and refreshed.

Anything bad happening while you're taking a power nap? Someone to rouse you?

I'd really hope for anyone other than this prick, who seems to be the type to take notes instead of flying the effing plane.

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Old 29th May 2017, 06:57
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asian airlines and crew rest

There were no procedures for flight deck controlled napping when I was with the land of the morning calm. The problem was and is cultural. I cannot tell you how many times I found both my crew members fast asleep ( 3 man crew) and I have heard of all 3 found asleep by other crew members.
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Shame on this FO. Studying the overhead panel (controllled rest) is a very effective tool on longer sectors to avoid fatigue. No safety implications once the other pilot is alert. Can imagine as others say he will not remain anonymous for long and will be a very unpopular chap. Maybe even in for a dose of his own medicine as soon as he deviates from company SOPs. This idiot has put a target on his back!
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