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Report says Pilot struck female passenger

Old 1st May 2017, 13:04
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He clearly slapped her arm, then disengaged. I don't see it as anything other than another human being stepping in courageously when called for.
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Old 1st May 2017, 15:05
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Originally Posted by RAT 5 View Post
Take it out of the context of Prune & Pilots, and the crew/passenger relationship, and ask what you would do if this happened on the pavement outside your house. Would no-one intercede? Certainly not if they were 2 kids.
The context IS an operating captain of a scheduled air carrier flight. He rendered himself unfit for further flight duty until such time as pilot management assessed all the circumstances. He is not airline or airport security. He has to be in the right frame of mind to fly the next leg.
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Old 1st May 2017, 19:39
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A person observes someone attempting serious body harm to another person.
In what reality is it correct for the first person to simply "walk on by" and make no effort to stop the serious bodily harm being attempted?
That some of you seem to think "walk on by" was the correct response says a lot about you, and it's not positive...
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Old 1st May 2017, 20:07
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Walking away would have been the better response imo. Intervening got him on YouTube for all eternity, and removed from flight status. Keep movin'.
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In my youth, the SOP for dealing with a fight in the back was turn up the pressurization then F/O (me) went back to deal with it. landedmore than once with 1 or 2 duct taped to their seats
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Old 1st May 2017, 20:33
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Fear of ending up on YouTube powers your compass? If as reports suggest, one of the combatants was about to do something that could have seriously injured the other, then you have a moral obligation to step in. I understand not all will see it that way, but this isn't some clear cut decision that some who walk away make it out to be. I especially don't understand trying to put it in a context of operating the flight, I'm not going to idly watch as potential serious injuries are rendered simply because I'm to operate the flight.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 01:45
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You don't have a clue about being an operating Part 121 PIC.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 02:35
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
In what reality is it correct for the first person to simply "walk on by" and make no effort to stop the serious bodily harm being attempted?
That some of you seem to think "walk on by" was the correct response says a lot about you, and it's not positive...
Best post so far.

To those of you saying "walk" is the best way to handle this, how would you feel if your spouse, daughter, or sig other had been the one under attack?

Shall we all just walk by?

And to the person who said let the cat fight die of it's own accord... That's rather sexist. Men damage each other bludgeoning with fists, women sometimes cause eye injuries that either take years to heal or never do.

People should never hurt one another, and if you have a chance to stop it, you should.

Part of the problem with public behavior in this reprehensible modern era is that we assume that all problems are somebody else's.

Would I have walked past that?

No.

I would have done something similar, perhaps trying to space them apart a bit first.

But when you see something like this going on in public, you should try to bring those involved back to decorous behavior.

If you walk past and ignore, you've lost all civility.

I'm not playing this card in full, but think about WWII and the effect of just ignoring wrongs right in front of you.


The context IS an operating captain of a scheduled air carrier flight. He rendered himself unfit for further flight duty until such time as pilot management assessed all the circumstances. He is not airline or airport security. He has to be in the right frame of mind to fly the next leg.
It was up to airport security to prevent this or quell it before the captain of whatever airline had to intercede. You're basically saying that duty to fly supersedes social responsibility.

I'd hate to think that any responsible, experienced captain would behave differently because he'd just exited an aircraft. And I'd hate to think that any of them would, because they're pilots, just walk past this situation.

You're basically saying " all this, I'm a pilot, let someone else handle it."

Worth pondering, I think.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 03:29
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To those of you who say that he was not acting in "self defence" let me assure you that defence of others, even strangers, has always been covered by "self defence" in every jurisdiction which is based on the English common law.

Of course he did the right thing!
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Old 2nd May 2017, 05:25
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Just like the pilot in the video I'm far more current in the 121 environment than you.

If you wouldn't step in because you're a 121 pilot, the operating pilot, on a DH or any other reason, your moral foundation is in question. You're welcome to watch someone receive a potentially life threatening injury while security or LEOs arrive, that pilot that day wasn't afraid to do something. I guarantee if you were the one getting the beating, you'd be quite happy to have a 121 pilot step in.
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