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Old 25th Apr 2017, 23:07
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From AvHerald:

The airline reported a similiar occurrence happened also on Apr 4th 2017 to the same aircraft. As an immediate safety action the airline reduced the maximum takeoff weight permitted for Bogota by 5 to 8 tons, either less cargo or less fuel perhaps requiring a fuel stop at Guadeloupe as suitable. It is being considered to use the Boeing 787 in the future should the A340-300 available performance turn out as the cause.
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 23:26
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The airline reported a similiar occurrence happened also on Apr 4th 2017 to the same aircraft.
If the April 4th incident involved the same aircraft as the 11th March one, it wasn't at Bogota, or if it was at Bogota, it wasn't the same aircraft.

Unless Avherald simply meant the same aircraft type (A343) and not the same aircraft.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 06:38
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Any of you blokes remember Tenerife in March 1977?
I suspect a call to stop to KLM might have been a good idea had the controller realised.

If an ATC controller yells at me to stop before V1 I'm going to have to give it very serious thought.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 07:26
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Ref my post no.76, I didn't know the full story. Please ignore
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 08:25
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Originally Posted by ACMS
Any of you blokes remember Tenerife in March 1977?
I suspect a call to stop to KLM might have been a good idea had the controller realised.

If an ATC controller yells at me to stop before V1 I'm going to have to give it very serious thought.
On that occasion it was foggy so one of the very good cases to comply.
Not that this particular captain who took off without clearance would have been likely to have done so.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 10:23
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Mentioning Tenerife, didn't klm have an incident in Basel a few years ago where they entered the runway as another aircraft took off over them?
Did a report ever get published?
Maybe I am wrong it's a while ago.
Should the controller have issued a stop there?
No one answer fits all on this topic, well apart from a stop shouldn't be called for baggage
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 12:29
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March 16th last year, so not that long ago.

Departing Skywork Airlines D328 passed over a KLM E190 which had entered the runway to take off in the opposite direction.

Incident grave d'un Dornier 328 immatriculé HB-AEO et d'un Embraer 190 immatriculé PH-EXB survenu le 07/03/16 à Bâle
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 00:27
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Originally Posted by ACMS
Any of you blokes remember Tenerife in March 1977?
I suspect a call to stop to KLM might have been a good idea had the controller realised.
His FO and FE were both telling him he didn't have takeoff clearance*. I'm not sure that adding another voice to the chorus would have mattered.


*ok, a little hyperbole, but they were both questioning whether they had takeoff clearance, IIRC.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 10:44
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I'm not entirely sure why Tenerife has crept into this thread. There's absolutely no comparison since no one transmitted or said "abort" or "stop". My recollection is that only the F/E weakly questioned if the Pan Am was clear of the runway. The tower could see bugger all and hadn't got any visual clues as to what was happening. They also had no ground radar at the time.
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