Lap top and tablet ban
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Agree - I definitely would not and could not work on a computer provided externally. You don't have access to your company network or local files. Plus security is a concern.
For business travelers I see more than one problem.
- Often these business trips are 1-2 day trips with carry-on luggage only. Means, people will now be forced to check in luggage. We all know what this means in terms of spending more time at the airport.
- In addition, be it on a layover just before the flight. I won't have access to my devices at all. You cannot work in the lounge or anywhere else from the point you drop your baggage until you arrive at your final port.
- In addition to bags getting stolen, there is also a risk of baggage misconnection or mishandling. We all know this happens, especially on short connx. If a business traveler arrives without his electronic devices, that can make the whole trip obsolete.
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Skype and the like are going to see a significant increase in network traffic.
Most meetings and presentations can be done remotely, so companies can spare the plane + hotel + taxi + etc expenses with a good excuse.
Most meetings and presentations can be done remotely, so companies can spare the plane + hotel + taxi + etc expenses with a good excuse.
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Slightly late on joining the thread but just to throw a little light on the screening process in Dubai for ALL US bound aircraft:
All hold baggage, irrespective of airline, has to go through the highest level of screening. This is what is referred to as Level 5 and includes each piece having projected images from multiple angles.
Prior to the airport having this category of screening machine, bags were pushed through the baggage system and screened normally. They were loaded on to trolleys and then transferred to a mobile screening machine where they were screened once again. A very laborious and time consuming process. Also, the TSA visited quite a few times to audit how this process was carried out. Evidently screening for both EK and the US carriers (DL/UA when they operated from DXB) was up to the desired standard.
The screening is also carried out by the Police and no other agency, as is the case in many other airports.
The automated baggage system in DXB is world class in terms of tracking, screen images etc. so this should be the least of the worry.
At the gates, EK security check both passengers and baggage as they arrive too.
This whole thing smacks of a ruse to screw over the ME3 and just to make life difficult and inconvenience the passengers. Very childish indeed.
All hold baggage, irrespective of airline, has to go through the highest level of screening. This is what is referred to as Level 5 and includes each piece having projected images from multiple angles.
Prior to the airport having this category of screening machine, bags were pushed through the baggage system and screened normally. They were loaded on to trolleys and then transferred to a mobile screening machine where they were screened once again. A very laborious and time consuming process. Also, the TSA visited quite a few times to audit how this process was carried out. Evidently screening for both EK and the US carriers (DL/UA when they operated from DXB) was up to the desired standard.
The screening is also carried out by the Police and no other agency, as is the case in many other airports.
The automated baggage system in DXB is world class in terms of tracking, screen images etc. so this should be the least of the worry.
At the gates, EK security check both passengers and baggage as they arrive too.
This whole thing smacks of a ruse to screw over the ME3 and just to make life difficult and inconvenience the passengers. Very childish indeed.
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As s simple SLF for years I have packed my laptop and other electronics in my hold baggage, too lazy to drag it around at the airport.
Last year coming back from a business trip in Kenya I was told I was not allowed to have electronics in my hold luggage! As I was carrying three devices and their combined weight was over 12Kg I had an interesting conversation with security and eventually allowed to leave it in the hold baggage.
Maybe I'm not so important as other people but can manage both short an long haul flights without the need to access my laptop but are some airlines against it and what if you are transiting from one that says no through somewhere it must be in the hold?
Last year coming back from a business trip in Kenya I was told I was not allowed to have electronics in my hold luggage! As I was carrying three devices and their combined weight was over 12Kg I had an interesting conversation with security and eventually allowed to leave it in the hold baggage.
Maybe I'm not so important as other people but can manage both short an long haul flights without the need to access my laptop but are some airlines against it and what if you are transiting from one that says no through somewhere it must be in the hold?
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Many companies do not permit Skype and the like again for perceived lack of security so I doubt this.
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Land Hopper thanks for your info re screening at Dubai. Answers at least partly a question I posed on page 2 of the topic and perhaps explains why UK has NOT restricted electronic devices from Dubai (and Abu Dhabi & Qatar).
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This forum as we are repeatedly told - is for 'professional pilots' apart from Jammed Stab and a very few others it seems that there are some 'professional pilots' that have an extremely limited grasp of the measures that professional security staff and military special forces take to keep you safe in the air. The immediate fall back to it must be something political or commercial; yet someone has lost their life find out information on a terrorist attack in the late stages of organization that would probably have resulted in several of your fellows dying. The countermeasures may be clumsy but they will have disrupted the planning of the 'event'. Instead of thanks the majority here seem to have more belief in shallow conspiracy theories. I can only imagine what would have been said in the March before 9/11 if more detailed searches of pax hand baggage and bans on knives and box cutters had been proposed. The same people would presumably have ranted about Bush deliberately trying to break the airline industry.
Believe it or not there are people trying to save your lives and who sometimes lose theirs in the process. They must occasionally wonder why they bother.
Believe it or not there are people trying to save your lives and who sometimes lose theirs in the process. They must occasionally wonder why they bother.
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Pilferage os laptops
Pilferage of laptops is a common occurrence. The last time my daughter on way back from school in Europe packed her laptop with checked in luggage id didn't arrive. While working in the airline industry some years ago this was one of the most common occurrences reported to us. Unfortnately, as with most of the things coming out of the USA these days, the directive is half baked. That the UK chooses to copy the US instead of working through EASA is sign of things to come. Not encouranging at all.
Perhaps worth observing that, as in other cases of security theatre, this ban may have little effect on the actual people who impose it, if they themselves travel in government aircraft where the same restrictions aren't applied, or in bizjets where either the restrictions also aren't applied, or if they are, hold baggage handling is such that theft and damage are unlikely.
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There are secure solutions regarding teleconferencing (less known to the general public) that can be easely implemented for the price of a single business trip.
There are secure solutions regarding teleconferencing (less known to the general public) that can be easely implemented for the price of a single business trip.
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In which case, there'd be a blanket ban on all routes, for all devices. Not a case where I can fly with a laptop on an indirect flight from a specified destination, but not a direct flight.
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Handling of terrorist threats is not within the EASA remit European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) - SKYbrary Aviation Safety . The handling of responses to terrorist threats is the remit of law enforcement and the intelligence agencies.
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Brilliant alternate solution there
http://nation.com.pk/national/23-Mar-2017/pia-says-unaffected-by-electronics-ban-on-us-bound-flights
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and they are rarely reliable unless you use them often - too often someone is cut-out or just can't see the presentations or..................
and you never get the gossip on a teleconference
and you never get the gossip on a teleconference
Maybe I missed something in this thread, but I still am puzzled by the notion that making a bomber check his bomb into the hold instead of carrying it into the cabin is a great advance in security. The examination of these items is more effective, or potentially more effective in a passenger search channel than in a hold baggage search channel. And with the popularity of committing suicide to demonstrate a commitment to Allah, the old hold baggage reconciliation no longer makes a difference.
And I also still don't fully understand why it is suddenly quite safe to have a hold full of lithium batteries, many probably working hard while running computers in stand-by mode rather than off. If the bomb doesn't get you, the hold fire will.
And I also still don't fully understand why it is suddenly quite safe to have a hold full of lithium batteries, many probably working hard while running computers in stand-by mode rather than off. If the bomb doesn't get you, the hold fire will.
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This is going to be very difficult to police. Most airports have a common security check, regardless of the airline or destination. It would be easy for someone with a non UK airline and destination to bring a laptop through and then give it to a UK bound passenger.
The only way to police this is to have an extra security check at the gate, including a scanner. How long will it take to set this up, and how many gates have the space to do this? What do the airline staff do if they find a laptop as the passenger's bag will already be in the hold?
The only way to police this is to have an extra security check at the gate, including a scanner. How long will it take to set this up, and how many gates have the space to do this? What do the airline staff do if they find a laptop as the passenger's bag will already be in the hold?