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Old 31st Mar 2017, 19:38
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Loaner iPads/Laptops with free WiFi definitely helps with internet browsing. Not much work cannot be done because most companies won't allow work on loaner laptops.

Any news on how this ban is impacting Fly America traffic. I am sure they won't like their laptops in the hold.
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 20:05
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I don't see that there'd be any effect at all. The Fly America Act already require that someone travelling for the US government to say, Dubai, would fly on a US carrier instead of Emirates. Of course, no US carriers fly direct to and from Dubai, They'd be required to fly KLM to AMS and then Delta to the US (For example) so this ruling wouldn't affect them.

That's what people are finding suspiciously convenient about this move. Maybe there's good security reasons, maybe there's not. But there's no denying that it is a significant inconvenience to passengers flying Emeriates/Ethiad/Quatar, but doesn't inconvenience passengers flying to the same destinations on US airlines and their partners.
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 23:36
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Not true, B6 code shares with Emirates thus Government travel is permitted on the six US-Dubai Emirates non-stops much to the chagrin of DL and UA, which dropped their routes from KIAD and KATL shortly after B6 (er, EK) won the route.

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Old 31st Mar 2017, 23:51
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People vote with their feet and I know from years of pax experinece that ME passengers are not happy leaving their laptops/notebooks and tablets in the hold.

Gulf airlines are the losers in this game.
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 02:47
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Originally Posted by NWstu View Post
Not true, B6 code shares with Emirates thus Government travel is permitted on the six US-Dubai Emirates non-stops much to the chagrin of DL and UA, which dropped their routes from KIAD and KATL shortly after B6 (er, EK) won the route.

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OK, I wasn't aware that Emirates was eligible under a code share. Regardless, does Emirates fly direct from UAE to the US ? Ummm, yes. And are all non-stop flights from UAE to the US required to comply with the "No computers in the cabin directive? Again, yes. Why would that be any different for passengers on US government travel?
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 07:50
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The point is that they are. This will discourage people from using those routes – and thus send more business back to US-based carriers (since those covered by the law will still have to use an authorised carrier).
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 17:13
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Well I had my first experience of the laptop ban today and was pleasantly surprised how efficient it was.

Travelling THY from the Far East over Istanbul. I was hand luggage only I kept my laptop with me on the first flight and arrived at the Gate in Istanbul an hour before departure, there were additional security staff who asked if I had a laptop I said yes and handed it over, they only wanted the laptop no ancillary’s, the laptop was placed in a bubble wrap sleeve to which a limited release tag was attached and placed into one of three dedicated suitcases. I signed to say I had handed it over. A quick check of my baggage to ensure I did not have more than one laptop and I was on board. We departed about 15 minutes late but just prior to pushback I saw the three suitcases escorted across the ramp to the hold with a security guard. On arrival at Heathrow the three suitcases were escorted to a pickup point next two the baggage belt where two staff were handing the laptops over in exchange for the limited release tag.

The entire operation was efficient and secure. I can’t say it was safe because there were three suitcases fully loaded with lithium batteries in the hold. Ironically if I turned up at Heathrow check-in with the three suitcases that heavily loaded with laptops I am certain they would be refused.
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 17:20
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One (deliberately or inadvertently) "hot" laptop in that bunch and suddenly you have a much bigger problem on your hands... The UK ban is at least not deliberately targeted only at competitive airlines, but just as stupid as the US one.
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Old 2nd Apr 2017, 11:51
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to which a limited release tag was attached attached
In other words TK will not accept liability for loss or damage. Hmmm... Not an acceptable solution IMO
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Old 2nd Apr 2017, 12:03
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I believe he means that the items is not thrown out on general release in the luggage hall, but that you must have a specific luggage tag to be given it.
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Old 2nd Apr 2017, 16:32
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to be clear, it was a "limited release tag" but a limited release tag that is not filled out correctly is just a tag with a red and white striped border and unless they have filled in the details and had me sign it then it is not limiting their liability and the Montreal convention still applies.

I believe in this case it was simply being used as a manual bag tag. there was no suggestion that they were trying to limit their liability
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Old 2nd Apr 2017, 18:12
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Originally Posted by EastMids View Post
Not an acceptable solution IMO
IMHO, It works better than having to stuff it in the regular hold baggage with its attendant risks of damage and loss.
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 16:35
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US treating them at par with others is a hard pill to swallow for "we do it better" crowd,
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 17:10
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Originally Posted by STN Ramp Rat View Post
but just prior to pushback I saw the three suitcases escorted across the ramp to the hold with a security guard.

Assuming those 3 suitcases and the laptops within them were subjected to some "additional" screening methods, can someone explain why those same methods cannot be applied to standard screening protocols that all carry-ons go through now ? Given that the US carriers are not subject to this rule, one would conclude that US carriers are able to do this additional screening.


If this is not the case, is there any safety benefit to physically separating a potential terrorist from his bomb payload ?
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 02:34
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Originally Posted by Dr Jay View Post
Given that the US carriers are not subject to this rule, one would conclude that US carriers are able to do this additional screening.


Well, once again, US carriers are subject to the rule. It doesn't currently affect any US carriers, because no US carriers are currently offering direct service from any of the airports listed. Presumably, if Delta (for example) were to start up it's DXB-ATL flight, then Delta would be subject to their just like Emirates.
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 18:31
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It doesn't currently affect any US carriers, because no US carriers are currently offering direct service from any of the airports listed.
What a remarkable coincidence.
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 21:46
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Yeah, isn't it though?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to claim that this move isn't targeted at certain operators, just pointing out that whatever "targeting" may be behind it is accomplished by circumstance rather than explicitly naming or exempting carriers.
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 23:03
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
What a remarkable coincidence.
There is no coincidence. Years of dumping capacity by ME3, US3 cannot even run 1 daily vs 25 by ME3.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 07:17
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If the price is the same, who on earth would chose to fly DL/UA/AA over EK/EY/QR?
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 20:59
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Safety? Crew experience/competence? As we know, it's not for the food and drink.
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