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Where I live, buying a firearm requires a criminal/medical background check and takes two weeks for the permit.
Really not a fan of it, but if it weeds out those who hear voices in their head it seems to be a good idea.
Really not a fan of it, but if it weeds out those who hear voices in their head it seems to be a good idea.
I agree with the post by homonculous.
You take these young men, train 'em, send them to a place where their experiences are beyond what most of us ever have to think about, and some of them (maybe most of them) come back damaged.
What kind of support services are they provided with to try and make them less damaged?
Or is it simply a case of "take these pills"?
You take these young men, train 'em, send them to a place where their experiences are beyond what most of us ever have to think about, and some of them (maybe most of them) come back damaged.
What kind of support services are they provided with to try and make them less damaged?
Or is it simply a case of "take these pills"?
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Being allowed to check in a firearm is one thing but ALSO allowing ammunition for the firearm is another.
As for letting me transport my gun(s), yet not bring ammo for them - that seems just silly.
I'd have to buy ammo upon arriving at my destination. (New business opportunity - 24-hour gun shops or ammo dealers very close to airports. Maybe even with a courtesy shuttle van).
Then I'd have to throw the new ammo away before checking in for the return (or next) leg of my trip. Good quality ammo isn't cheap these days for many firearms. And in California, they reportedly will now require a background check not just to buy a firearm but also for each ammunition purchase.
Then there is the need to properly dispose of ammo, while traveling, as I prepare to head to the airport at 4 or 5am. (Shall I leave the ammo in a trash can in the airport restroom, or in the waste basket back in my hotel room? Perhaps I could hand the ammo to TSA to dispose of while checking my gun for the flight -- but even assuming TSA wants to be burdened with that, it still means I'm bringing a gun and ammo to the airport.
Seems much safer to just keep the ammo securely locked in my gun case, in checked baggage, while I'm flying.
The greater danger, by far, in my opinion is not someone traveling with a properly checked firearm, but rather the geniuses who leave guns laying around -- unlocked, and loaded, with a round already chambered -- in their home or vehicle for very young children to find and use. As they do, in surprisingly large numbers.
Now that's something we can and should be upset about.
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Passenger 389,Other than Air Marshals. No Guns on Planes Period.
Tarq57"You take these young men, train 'em, send them to a place where their experiences are beyond what most of us ever have to think about, and some of them (maybe most of them) come back damaged.
What kind of support services are they provided with to try and make them less damaged?
Or is it simply a case of "take these pills"?"
What about World War two,seems to me our present generation aren't up for the job,in fact I know they aren't.
Tarq57"You take these young men, train 'em, send them to a place where their experiences are beyond what most of us ever have to think about, and some of them (maybe most of them) come back damaged.
What kind of support services are they provided with to try and make them less damaged?
Or is it simply a case of "take these pills"?"
What about World War two,seems to me our present generation aren't up for the job,in fact I know they aren't.
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Unverified- but apparently perp was some sort of private security guard in Alaska. And only checked his pistol but no baggage.
Should have raised bucu red flags ..
Sounds like the Orlando type again- private security guard .. ??
Should have raised bucu red flags ..
Sounds like the Orlando type again- private security guard .. ??
Originally Posted by ericsson16
What about World War two,seems to me our present generation aren't up for the job,in fact I know they aren't.
I've met folk who were in WW2. Some were relatives. Some of them came back a bit damaged, too.
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Passenger 389. I don't see anyone saying guns/ammo should not be allowed in checked luggage. Why bother as check-in and retrieval are in non-sterile areas. Any nut can access those areas at most airports with a loaded rifle over a shoulder and a pistol in a pocket loaded with one in the chamber.
No, more needs to be done to ensure that those with guns are sane, trained in their use and follow procedures to ensure the weapons are safe. Recurrent testing to ensure skills are maintained would be a very good thing. Yes, it would be a hassle but millions of pilots go through similar testing. It's the price they have to pay, most willingly
What worries me these days is the rising numbers of gun owners who are advancing in age and beginning to suffer from dementia. We can take away their driving licenses, but we can't touch their gun licenses.
No, more needs to be done to ensure that those with guns are sane, trained in their use and follow procedures to ensure the weapons are safe. Recurrent testing to ensure skills are maintained would be a very good thing. Yes, it would be a hassle but millions of pilots go through similar testing. It's the price they have to pay, most willingly
What worries me these days is the rising numbers of gun owners who are advancing in age and beginning to suffer from dementia. We can take away their driving licenses, but we can't touch their gun licenses.
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Not sure if still the situation, but in the UK it was the requirement that the gun was packed in a locked gun case and the ammunition was packed securely, separately from the gun (I'm not certain but I think it could be in original packaging in a case). The reason being if someone other than the owner picked up the gun case and opened it, the worst they could do is beat someone with an unloaded gun. If packed with ammo too, there was a higher potential for an incident. This obviously doesn't fix this issue as we understand in this situation, where the registered owner was the person committing the act.
This was for sporting weapons in UK, not just general firearms, but were permitted for flights domestically as well as internationally, subject to license, firearm and identification checks.
This was for sporting weapons in UK, not just general firearms, but were permitted for flights domestically as well as internationally, subject to license, firearm and identification checks.
Flying with a gun (as checked baggage) is no big deal in much of the US. I've certainly done it. Makes sense for me, given the crime rate in some US cities and motels, and at some highway rest stops, etc.
As for letting me transport my gun(s), yet not bring ammo for them - that seems just silly.
I'd have to buy ammo upon arriving at my destination. (New business opportunity - 24-hour gun shops or ammo dealers very close to airports. Maybe even with a courtesy shuttle van).
Then I'd have to throw the new ammo away before checking in for the return (or next) leg of my trip. Good quality ammo isn't cheap these days for many firearms. And in California, they reportedly will now require a background check not just to buy a firearm but also for each ammunition purchase.
Then there is the need to properly dispose of ammo, while traveling, as I prepare to head to the airport at 4 or 5am. (Shall I leave the ammo in a trash can in the airport restroom, or in the waste basket back in my hotel room? Perhaps I could hand the ammo to TSA to dispose of while checking my gun for the flight -- but even assuming TSA wants to be burdened with that, it still means I'm bringing a gun and ammo to the airport.
Seems much safer to just keep the ammo securely locked in my gun case, in checked baggage, while I'm flying.
The greater danger, by far, in my opinion is not someone traveling with a properly checked firearm, but rather the geniuses who leave guns laying around -- unlocked, and loaded, with a round already chambered -- in their home or vehicle for very young children to find and use. As they do, in surprisingly large numbers.
Now that's something we can and should be upset about.
As for letting me transport my gun(s), yet not bring ammo for them - that seems just silly.
I'd have to buy ammo upon arriving at my destination. (New business opportunity - 24-hour gun shops or ammo dealers very close to airports. Maybe even with a courtesy shuttle van).
Then I'd have to throw the new ammo away before checking in for the return (or next) leg of my trip. Good quality ammo isn't cheap these days for many firearms. And in California, they reportedly will now require a background check not just to buy a firearm but also for each ammunition purchase.
Then there is the need to properly dispose of ammo, while traveling, as I prepare to head to the airport at 4 or 5am. (Shall I leave the ammo in a trash can in the airport restroom, or in the waste basket back in my hotel room? Perhaps I could hand the ammo to TSA to dispose of while checking my gun for the flight -- but even assuming TSA wants to be burdened with that, it still means I'm bringing a gun and ammo to the airport.
Seems much safer to just keep the ammo securely locked in my gun case, in checked baggage, while I'm flying.
The greater danger, by far, in my opinion is not someone traveling with a properly checked firearm, but rather the geniuses who leave guns laying around -- unlocked, and loaded, with a round already chambered -- in their home or vehicle for very young children to find and use. As they do, in surprisingly large numbers.
Now that's something we can and should be upset about.
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The FBI should've put him on a flying watch list. The guy came to them, fully showing he had issues. He never should've been allowed to have a weapon, much less be allowed to check one in coming to the lower 48, with psychiatric issues. This is where the system fails, time and time again.
FBI seized Fort Lauderdale shooter's gun only to give it back one month later | Daily Mail Online
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On 8th Jan 2017, 07:28, ExXB wrote:
ExXB, I was responding to post #33, which did suggest ammo not be allowed in checked luggage:
Passenger 389. I don't see anyone saying guns/ammo should not be allowed in checked luggage.
On 7th Jan 2017, 10:48 #33, Trav a la wrote:
Being allowed to check in a firearm is one thing but ALSO allowing ammunition for the firearm is another.
I'm quite shocked to hear that this is allowed.
Surely it would be common sense to not allow live ammunition on domestic flights.
Being allowed to check in a firearm is one thing but ALSO allowing ammunition for the firearm is another.
I'm quite shocked to hear that this is allowed.
Surely it would be common sense to not allow live ammunition on domestic flights.
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Passenger 389, my bad I did miss one. However as I explain in my post it wouldn't increase safety levels as so many loaded weapons are freely available and can be deployed easily to land side at any US airport.
Better to use resources to ensure weapons are not in the wrong hands. The FBI is being lambasted for returning the gun to the perpetrator, but I'm guessing that Alaskan law gave them little choice. The law should have let them keep the gun and make sure he couldn't get another one.
Better to use resources to ensure weapons are not in the wrong hands. The FBI is being lambasted for returning the gun to the perpetrator, but I'm guessing that Alaskan law gave them little choice. The law should have let them keep the gun and make sure he couldn't get another one.
No ID, No Keys, No Phone, No Wallet, No Shoes
Many of the people in the TSA lineups left these items in a rush for the exits.
They are now in limbo. Fortunately the Florida police are issuing temporary IDs and the Red Cross is sheltering them.
Florida shooting survivors stranded after losing luggage and IDs in the chaos - World - CBC News
Keep photocopies on your person.
They are now in limbo. Fortunately the Florida police are issuing temporary IDs and the Red Cross is sheltering them.
Florida shooting survivors stranded after losing luggage and IDs in the chaos - World - CBC News
Keep photocopies on your person.
I would bet this is just another SSRI drugs incident. Such pills often suppress feelings like sympathy, compassion and in many cases patients feel urge to kill innocent people around. There are plenty cases like this and almost all mass shootings have this SSRI stuff as common denominator. Lubitz was another example I guess. I am curious if this case will fit in the picture again.
Esteban Santiago agrees with you wholeheartedly!
I would expect some proposals to modify the policies and procedures for transporting firearms on airlines is already under discussion in government circles. Right along with the question of what should legally become of someone's "rights" when they appear "disturbed", but are found not to be mentally incompetent following evaluation by a shrink. It's actually a rather complex problem with valid arguments from several viewpoints.
Might make an interesting Jetblast thread.
So what happens in the Uk ?
Suppose your going on a Deer hunting shoot in Scotland , say flying from Heathrow > You check in the rifle > unloaded and on the Captains Notoc > where does the ammunition go > when and where does the passenger get reunited with rifle and ammunition ? at the baggage carousel as per normal bags ?
Genuine question > must happen all the time in winter
Suppose your going on a Deer hunting shoot in Scotland , say flying from Heathrow > You check in the rifle > unloaded and on the Captains Notoc > where does the ammunition go > when and where does the passenger get reunited with rifle and ammunition ? at the baggage carousel as per normal bags ?
Genuine question > must happen all the time in winter
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I am not familiar with the procedure in the USA, but in the UK at least the firearm and ammo will have to be kept separate when checked in. When you arrive the bag with the firearm inside would not appear on the baggage belt, but will be handed to you by an agent and signed for. Now after that has taken place then there is literally nothing that can stop someone just going off an loading the gun in the toilet and then doing what this guy did in FLL.
I doubt there really is any way other than say banning firearms from commercial flights, but then there is nothing to stop someone just entering an airport and doing the same thing, ticket holder or not.
I doubt there really is any way other than say banning firearms from commercial flights, but then there is nothing to stop someone just entering an airport and doing the same thing, ticket holder or not.