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From the Jakarta Post
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...passenger.html
A Citilink pilot was removed from duty on Wednesday after passengers claimed he was incoherent in a flight announcement he made before takeoff.
One of the passengers voiced suspicion that the pilot may have been intoxicated.
“Around 15 minutes before the scheduled departure, the pilot spoke random words in his flight announcement. I suspect that he was drunk as he kept mumbling and shouting,” Ketut Buda, who was booked on the Citilink flight from Juanda International Airport in Surabaya, East Java, to Soekarno Hatta International Airport in Jakarta on Wednesday morning, told a local radio station.
Ketut said most of the passengers decided to disembark in a show of protest. They also asked the airline to replace the pilot in question.
Citilink, the low-cost subsidiary of national flag carrier Garuda Indonesia, said later in the day that the pilot, identified as Capt. Tekad Purna, would be investigated after the incident.
The Citilink flight was scheduled to take off at 5:15 a.m. After the incident, Citilink replace the pilot and the flight departed an hour behind schedule with 154 passengers on board.
One of the passengers voiced suspicion that the pilot may have been intoxicated.
“Around 15 minutes before the scheduled departure, the pilot spoke random words in his flight announcement. I suspect that he was drunk as he kept mumbling and shouting,” Ketut Buda, who was booked on the Citilink flight from Juanda International Airport in Surabaya, East Java, to Soekarno Hatta International Airport in Jakarta on Wednesday morning, told a local radio station.
Ketut said most of the passengers decided to disembark in a show of protest. They also asked the airline to replace the pilot in question.
Citilink, the low-cost subsidiary of national flag carrier Garuda Indonesia, said later in the day that the pilot, identified as Capt. Tekad Purna, would be investigated after the incident.
The Citilink flight was scheduled to take off at 5:15 a.m. After the incident, Citilink replace the pilot and the flight departed an hour behind schedule with 154 passengers on board.
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well good for the passengers - the standard Indonesian response is to sit tight and not cause any trouble - they may well have saved not only their own lives but a lot of other people's lives as well...........................
What did the F.O. have to say about this? What was the flight planning room like? A lot of traps before he got to the aircraft and nothing had caught him.
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Indonesian culture (particularly Javanese) is very non-confrontational. The unwritten rules are: never admit fault; never accuse anyone else of being at fault. NEVER!
People are killed for accusing others of having done something wrong when their guilt is self-evident.
The assistance from the security guys to pick up the charts without once questioning his condition is a very good example of this trait.
The next step then is normally a completely unbelievable explanation to account for the transgression and that explanation is then accepted by all.
And please don't infer that these are racist comments - this is taught at cultural awareness classes.
And it is a cultural trait that is evident to a greater or lesser extent right through SE and eastern Asia.
It would have taken big balls, a lot of training to counter their upbringing and a strong and clear management ethos for those security guys to have intercepted the pilot.
People are killed for accusing others of having done something wrong when their guilt is self-evident.
The assistance from the security guys to pick up the charts without once questioning his condition is a very good example of this trait.
The next step then is normally a completely unbelievable explanation to account for the transgression and that explanation is then accepted by all.
And please don't infer that these are racist comments - this is taught at cultural awareness classes.
And it is a cultural trait that is evident to a greater or lesser extent right through SE and eastern Asia.
It would have taken big balls, a lot of training to counter their upbringing and a strong and clear management ethos for those security guys to have intercepted the pilot.
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India Charlie, I don't understand the meaning of your post!
This guy was seriously under the influence of something or other. Unbelievable that security let him go on his way. Did it really take the pax to raise the alarm? Frightning!
This guy was seriously under the influence of something or other. Unbelievable that security let him go on his way. Did it really take the pax to raise the alarm? Frightning!
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I was being funny and sarcastic at the irony of it all. I did find the video funny, though I recognise the seriousness of the situation.
If those security personnel hadn't helped him get whatever fell out of his flight bag, how would he even conduct a briefing? I guess that he wasn't even sure whether he was in Jakarta or Jogjakarta.
The least those screeners could have done was to report his condition, but it doesn't seem to be in their purview (cultural conditioning?).
Hats off to the alert pax for booting him out (for good it should be).
If those security personnel hadn't helped him get whatever fell out of his flight bag, how would he even conduct a briefing? I guess that he wasn't even sure whether he was in Jakarta or Jogjakarta.
The least those screeners could have done was to report his condition, but it doesn't seem to be in their purview (cultural conditioning?).
Hats off to the alert pax for booting him out (for good it should be).
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Citilink Execs Resign
Must be the Indonesian "never admit fault" culture someone cited above.
More from: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/12/30/citilink-top-executives-resign-after-drunk-pilot-incident.html
Less than 72 hours after reports of an allegedly drunk Citilink pilot showing up for work circulated in the public, two top executives of the low-cost carrier announced on Friday their resignation as a gesture of responsibility for the incident.
Speaking to The Jakarta Post on Friday, Citilink vice president of corporate communications Benny S. Butarbutar said that president director Albert Burhan and operational director Hadinoto Soedigno had decided to resign from the company following the incident.
"Pak Albert expressed his intention to resign all of a sudden at the end of a press conference [on Friday] as a form of his responsibility [regarding the case]," he said, adding that the resignation must first get approval by the company’s board of commissioners and its parent company.
Speaking to The Jakarta Post on Friday, Citilink vice president of corporate communications Benny S. Butarbutar said that president director Albert Burhan and operational director Hadinoto Soedigno had decided to resign from the company following the incident.
"Pak Albert expressed his intention to resign all of a sudden at the end of a press conference [on Friday] as a form of his responsibility [regarding the case]," he said, adding that the resignation must first get approval by the company’s board of commissioners and its parent company.
More from: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/12/30/citilink-top-executives-resign-after-drunk-pilot-incident.html
SO, its time to put Garuda on the black list, again!
Citilink is a LCC of/for Garuda.
This is just insane!
If the mentality/culture over "there" is like that, its not only Citilink pilots that are seen as "untouchable" as mentioned before.
After 1 young co-pilot (with known "medical" issues) was allowed to continue to fly and crash and kill more than 100 persons, EASA mandated mental health and drug and alcohol testing in the whole of europe.
As a pilot, going through numerous security checks in europe, sometimes i cannot even bring a bottle of water with me, let alone a (little) swiss army knife.
(i don't want to know what would happen if I did pass the security like that at Paris CDG
, jail time probably)
The indonesians needs to face reality, and change.
I respect cultures but keep cultures on the ground, not in the air.
Resigning "managers" of the airline, nor firing a pilot, nor educating crew in a 1 day classroom class will NOT change the attitude towards safe operation.
Best signal is banning Garuda (again!) and "help" the indonesian authorities cleaning up!
Citilink is a LCC of/for Garuda.
This is just insane!
If the mentality/culture over "there" is like that, its not only Citilink pilots that are seen as "untouchable" as mentioned before.
After 1 young co-pilot (with known "medical" issues) was allowed to continue to fly and crash and kill more than 100 persons, EASA mandated mental health and drug and alcohol testing in the whole of europe.
As a pilot, going through numerous security checks in europe, sometimes i cannot even bring a bottle of water with me, let alone a (little) swiss army knife.
(i don't want to know what would happen if I did pass the security like that at Paris CDG
, jail time probably)The indonesians needs to face reality, and change.
I respect cultures but keep cultures on the ground, not in the air.
Resigning "managers" of the airline, nor firing a pilot, nor educating crew in a 1 day classroom class will NOT change the attitude towards safe operation.
Best signal is banning Garuda (again!) and "help" the indonesian authorities cleaning up!
Many people from security, to the dispatcher and even the crew would have been aware of the smell...and should have questioned it. Be it with him directly, or via immediate management.
Someone could have took him a side, had a quiet word with him and advised they self declare un-fit and "go sick". If they ignored you, well they are open to the whole world falling onto them. Sadly sometimes you cant reason with a drunk person.
Edit - Assumed to be drunk based upon the name of the link below
More from: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...-incident.html
Someone could have took him a side, had a quiet word with him and advised they self declare un-fit and "go sick". If they ignored you, well they are open to the whole world falling onto them. Sadly sometimes you cant reason with a drunk person.
Edit - Assumed to be drunk based upon the name of the link below
More from: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...-incident.html
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They share common investors (the group company is still the largest investor) but since 2012 the two airlines have been operating as separate entities.
Albert Burhan wasn't just a "manager" at the airline -- he is/was the CEO of Citilink. So seems to me they are taking the safety incident seriously.
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Many people from security, to the dispatcher and even the crew would have been aware of the smell...and should have questioned it. Be it with him directly, or via immediate management.
So at this point we don't know when (or even if) the pilot consumed any illegal / intoxicating substance. He could have appeared fine until just prior to the gate security checkpoint. He might not have smelled of alcohol when he passed by security.
Heck for all we know so far, he could have been having a medical issue.
Speaking to The Jakarta Post on Friday, Citilink vice president of corporate communications Benny S. Butarbutar said that president director Albert Burhan and operational director Hadinoto Soedigno had decided to resign from the company following the incident.
Albert Burhan wasn't just a "manager" at the airline -- he is/was the CEO of Citilink. So seems to me they are taking the safety incident seriously.
He walked away, did NOT take responsibility!
A real manager would take his/her responsibility serious, he did not, just walked away....(to the beach or so
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No Testpanel, RIGHT answer if indeed the alcohol and drug screen were done properly and were negative. There are a number of medical issues that could produce this outcome. And relevant indeed to this thread as the question still to be asked is why did the FO do nothing?
However, agree more likely that the results were not 'really' negative.....
However, agree more likely that the results were not 'really' negative.....
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Wrong....simple solutions to big problems do not always work. This guy has a big problem either with attitude and/or alcohol (assuming he is inebriated and not suffering from some medical occurrence). Sweeping it under the rug does nothing to ensure it will not happen again.