Jet goes down on its way to Medellin, Colombia
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An interesting piece today in "El Deber", of Santa Cruz:-
Por 5 observaciones no debía volar | Noticias de Bolivia y el Mundo - EL DEBER
RIP
David
Por 5 observaciones no debía volar | Noticias de Bolivia y el Mundo - EL DEBER
RIP
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An interesting piece today in "El Deber", of Santa Cruz:-
Por 5 observaciones no debía volar | Noticias de Bolivia y el Mundo - EL DEBER
RIP
David
Por 5 observaciones no debía volar | Noticias de Bolivia y el Mundo - EL DEBER
RIP
David
In short the submitted flight plan shows en route time of 4:22 and endurance of,guess what, 4:22.
When the authority questioned it, the despachador told her not to worry, they would make it.
Haven't time to do a full translation, but well worth reading the whole report.
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ATC controller has released an emotional statement, in Spanish
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A video with an interview with the (female) pilot just before the crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZJ3YwPO3E8
Very sad.
Very sad.
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My questions:
- why did the deployed the landing gear? they were 10 minutes away from the airport still. This would only elevate the drag
- why a descent so steep?
- they crashed only some meters away from the VOR, could they have mistaken it with the runway at night?
- If they really knew were the runway was, could they reach it with no fuel from FL210?
- why did the deployed the landing gear? they were 10 minutes away from the airport still. This would only elevate the drag
- why a descent so steep?
- they crashed only some meters away from the VOR, could they have mistaken it with the runway at night?
- If they really knew were the runway was, could they reach it with no fuel from FL210?
2) See above.
3)Possibly.
4) Yes.
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A video with an interview with the (female) pilot just before the crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZJ3YwPO3E8
Very sad.
Very sad.
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Colombia's CAA confirms that crashed Avro operated without mandatory fuel reserves
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01 December, 2016
| BY: Rainer Uphoff
| Madrid
Colombia’s Civil Aviation Authority has officially confirmed that the Bolivian BAe Avro RJ85 operated by Lamia crashed near Medellin with empty fuel tanks..
During a press conference held on 30 November, Aerocivil’s Secretary of Aviation Safety Freddy Bonilla assures that "the aircraft did not operate with the mandatory fuel reserves mandated by international regulations”.
He said that Lamia’s flight plan had established as the alternative airport Bogota, which is slightly less distant from de Santa Cruz (Bolivia) than Medellin, indicating, however, that “the aircraft had not loaded sufficient fuel for an eventual diversion back to the alternative airport, nor for the internationally established 35min fuel reserve”.
Bonilla also confirmed that the actual distance between Santa Cruz and Medellin on the route followed by the Lamia flight was 1,588nm. “We will investigate why Lamia authorised a flight, which [taking into account the mandatory reserves] was beyond the range of the aircraft [1,600 NM]”.
He also confirmed the authenticity of the ATC recording that had been filtered to FlightGlobal and some other media, but said that he could "not confirm if the recording was complete, resembling the exact timing of the sequence of events.”
“We are working with specialists from Bolivia, Brazil, the UK and the US to reach the final conclusions as soon as possible”, he concluded.
Previously, Bolivia’s Civil Aviation Authority DGAC had declared almost immediately after the accident that Lamia had its AOC in order, the aircraft maintenance record correct and both pilots' licenses up-to-date.
Incidentally, DGAC's director of aircraft registries, Gustavo Vargas Villegas, is the son of Lamia’s owner, Gustavo Vargas Gamboa. In addition to establishing any aircraft's operational specifications as part of the registry process, one of the attributions of Vargas Villegas’ role at the DGAC is the safe custody of all documents and informations related to any Bolivian registered aircraft involved in an incident or accident
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01 December, 2016
| BY: Rainer Uphoff
| Madrid
Colombia’s Civil Aviation Authority has officially confirmed that the Bolivian BAe Avro RJ85 operated by Lamia crashed near Medellin with empty fuel tanks..
During a press conference held on 30 November, Aerocivil’s Secretary of Aviation Safety Freddy Bonilla assures that "the aircraft did not operate with the mandatory fuel reserves mandated by international regulations”.
He said that Lamia’s flight plan had established as the alternative airport Bogota, which is slightly less distant from de Santa Cruz (Bolivia) than Medellin, indicating, however, that “the aircraft had not loaded sufficient fuel for an eventual diversion back to the alternative airport, nor for the internationally established 35min fuel reserve”.
Bonilla also confirmed that the actual distance between Santa Cruz and Medellin on the route followed by the Lamia flight was 1,588nm. “We will investigate why Lamia authorised a flight, which [taking into account the mandatory reserves] was beyond the range of the aircraft [1,600 NM]”.
He also confirmed the authenticity of the ATC recording that had been filtered to FlightGlobal and some other media, but said that he could "not confirm if the recording was complete, resembling the exact timing of the sequence of events.”
“We are working with specialists from Bolivia, Brazil, the UK and the US to reach the final conclusions as soon as possible”, he concluded.
Previously, Bolivia’s Civil Aviation Authority DGAC had declared almost immediately after the accident that Lamia had its AOC in order, the aircraft maintenance record correct and both pilots' licenses up-to-date.
Incidentally, DGAC's director of aircraft registries, Gustavo Vargas Villegas, is the son of Lamia’s owner, Gustavo Vargas Gamboa. In addition to establishing any aircraft's operational specifications as part of the registry process, one of the attributions of Vargas Villegas’ role at the DGAC is the safe custody of all documents and informations related to any Bolivian registered aircraft involved in an incident or accident
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<<they crashed only some meters away from the VOR, could they have mistaken it with the runway at night?>>
Not sure how that would be possible, unless they have unusual lights around the VOR?
Not sure how that would be possible, unless they have unusual lights around the VOR?
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May be irrelevant in the greater scheme of things but if they had brim filled the aircraft before departure and given the payload would they have exceeded the MTOW
Flightpath based on FlightRadar24 data
Usual FR24 caveats apply - in particular there are a whole bunch of missing data points at the entry to the hold, which I haven't attempted to interpolate.
RNG is the Rio Negro VOR, adjacent to the crash site.
RNG is the Rio Negro VOR, adjacent to the crash site.
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leaked transcript
If the leaked transcript above is true/genuine, we are looking at criminal behaviour extending far beyond the cockpit of this flightdeck. How tragic.
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In the first paper, Celia is reporting 5 comments about the flight plan and her conversation with AEREA Lamia dispatcher, raising her concerns about the alt destination and their F/plan to fly right at the limit of the range.
The dispatcher is telling her that they will manage it.
So how come we are told that the AL management say that they thought there was a planned fuel stop?
(I speak reasonable Portuguese and can read Spanish, but will leave the full translation to some one with better nuances)
The dispatcher is telling her that they will manage it.
So how come we are told that the AL management say that they thought there was a planned fuel stop?
(I speak reasonable Portuguese and can read Spanish, but will leave the full translation to some one with better nuances)
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I'm still feeling that given the steep descent plus wheels down, he thought the RNG VOR was in fact the runway beacon.
Even tho ATC informed him he was 9 miles out.
He perhaps had DME set to RNG and so thought he was nearly on the runway...?
Even tho ATC informed him he was 9 miles out.
He perhaps had DME set to RNG and so thought he was nearly on the runway...?