Near Repeat Of Tenerife Disaster In Adelaide.
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If ALL pilots on the flight deck have not heard and confirmed the phrase "cleared to cross", you don't cross. Period. The end.
Presumed, assumed, expected...... for heaven's sake.
What in hell ever happened to airmanship in this profession?
Presumed, assumed, expected...... for heaven's sake.
What in hell ever happened to airmanship in this profession?
And there you have it. Pedanticism over airmanship. The gist of what I'm getting at completely overlooked....
You're right, I shouldn't have, in my haste, put the word "cleared" inside the inverted commas here on PPrune - yes, the word "cleared" is only verbalised in take-off and landing clearances. All other clearances we don't say the word "cleared". Naughty me, I should have cut & paste from the AIP when writing on PPrune after a cross continent red-eye.
But surely my point hasn't been lost? If you haven't been cleared to "CROSS", given the instruction to "CROSS", heard the word "CROSS"...... then you'd better not CROSS without clarifying?
God help us if instead of speaking up and clarifying, we decide its more important to go heads down into the AIP and begin a debate about whether that was standard phraseology? Airmanship and common sense, anybody?
You're right, I shouldn't have, in my haste, put the word "cleared" inside the inverted commas here on PPrune - yes, the word "cleared" is only verbalised in take-off and landing clearances. All other clearances we don't say the word "cleared". Naughty me, I should have cut & paste from the AIP when writing on PPrune after a cross continent red-eye.
But surely my point hasn't been lost? If you haven't been cleared to "CROSS", given the instruction to "CROSS", heard the word "CROSS"...... then you'd better not CROSS without clarifying?
God help us if instead of speaking up and clarifying, we decide its more important to go heads down into the AIP and begin a debate about whether that was standard phraseology? Airmanship and common sense, anybody?
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yes but it's also clear that people operating through Adeliade have got used to not hearing the full transmission due to the technical problems with the kit and have fallen into the habit of using their judgement (and that includes ATC) to infill the missing words
Right do do so - NO - but all to easy to do.................
Right do do so - NO - but all to easy to do.................
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But surely my point hasn't been lost? If you haven't been cleared to "CROSS", given the instruction to "CROSS", heard the word "CROSS"...... then you'd better not CROSS without clarifying?
FO: "CROSS Runway 23 to 50 Golf, Unity 3201"
Unfortunately ATC also misinterpreted the read back.
